What AI Knows About You (That You Don't)

Jeremy Grater (00:00)
All welcome to BroBots. This is the podcast that tries to help you be a better human by being smarter about the way you use technology. And we bitch and moan and complain a lot about AI and the many evils that it is threatening to bring upon the world. But there are some goods occasionally that we stumble across. And one of them, oddly enough, is a prompt. I hate seeing tech bros posting things like, this is the prompt you've got to use to change your life, bro.

but I found one that's kind of cool, so I wanted to share it and see. We'll do a little bit of a live.

Jason Haworth (00:30)
How can you hate it when tech bros talk and say shit like that? The name of our podcast is BroBots. I mean...

Jeremy Grater (00:32)
You

I just

because they're all selling me something and I hate it. It makes me so angry because they're like all you're just having conversations with a tool that gives you answers. There is no one thing that's going to save your life or change everything for you, but there are some prompts you can use to offer a little perspective, which is what I found. Yeah, yeah.

Jason Haworth (00:54)
Wait a minute, before we get too much farther. Dear

Chat GPT.

and I a

Jeremy Grater (01:04)
Hahaha!

Jason Haworth (01:08)
Short answer, no man, you're not a tool. Longer answer, let me break it down in a way that it actually lands. Chachi PT is a bro. ⁓ It's such a bro. ⁓

Jeremy Grater (01:14)
my god.

Such a bro, such a bro. ⁓

Alright, so this this prompt that I stumbled across the other day, I'm scrolling through a sub stack and there's a writer named Linda Carroll that posted a really interesting prompt and the people that were responding to her by using this prompt were all like, no way, I can't believe this is crazy. And so this was the prompt. It said, based on what you know about me, what are my blind spots? What opportunities am I missing? What potential am I squandering? What should I be paying attention to?

that I'm probably not. I threw this into chat GPT, which is, the way, the tool that I use mostly for work stuff. So it's a lot of, write me this email. Hey, analyze this conversation and tell me where to go from here. Analyze this account. Tell me how to manage it. What are some good next steps? Kind of a thinking partner. So I thought there's no way anything insightful or important is going to come out of this conversation because there's nothing there, right? And yet. So I don't know. Like, again,

Jason Haworth (02:08)
And yet!

Jeremy Grater (02:14)
I know chat GPT is just trying to kiss my ass 90 % of the time. So I'm trying to take this with a grain of salt, but a lot of it did hit pretty close to home for me. Number one, it said you underestimate how much influence you actually have.

Probably true, right? Like I work with hundreds of people every day offering them advice on how to do things better and how to improve their workflows, how to use technology in a better way. We do this silly ass podcast where we tell people about things that could help them by using technology in better ways. So yeah, perhaps there are ways that I'm missing out on something there. Also playing two games, right? I'm doing this podcast, which I've been doing podcasting long enough that like I do largely treat this as a hobby because I've been doing it long enough that I know how hard it is.

to actually turn it into something bigger. So yeah, I probably don't give this all of the effort and attention that it deserves. And it goes on and on from there, but it started to reveal that basically something I've heard throughout my life and something I've known is that I'm playing pretty small. I'm not aiming for the moon and ending up among the stars. I'm barely getting out of the driveway. ⁓ And it kind of rattled me. It took me a little time to be like, God damn, that thing really nailed how I'm...

in my own way in a lot of ways. So Jason I want to see I know we just sort of started talking about this you have not done this experiment yourself.

Jason Haworth (03:37)
I have not and I want to take a different take on it. So I want to do each. I don't want to put it as a single string. I actually want to do what are my blind spots and then ask each question after that. So without further ado.

Jeremy Grater (03:40)
Okay.

step by step.

Okay.

And by the way, you're doing this with ChatGPT. What do you normally use ChatGPT for?

Jason Haworth (03:57)
I use ChatGPT for a lot of things. So I've got multiple different jobs. The job that pays me money, my actual employer, my 60 hour a week job plus. ⁓ And then I've got multiple side households. So this is one of them. So I've got this, and then I've got another company that I use to build a web application firewall. And then I have another company that I'm using to build fitness trackers, ⁓ database indexing functions, a bunch of shit. And then I use it for... but personal stuff too.

Jeremy Grater (04:21)
So a lot of professional stuff then.

Yeah?

Jason Haworth (04:25)
So

like one of the things, pretend your Pope Francis was one of my prompts. Pretend your Rick Sanchez is one of my prompts. ⁓ One of my prompt one of my things is nuclear weapon explanation. I actually was interested why how how nuclear bombs are made in modern day versus how they used to be made.

Jeremy Grater (04:31)
Right, right.

Jason Haworth (04:46)
⁓ nuclear weapon materials companies who actually makes the stuff like I was just kind of on a thread about things.

Jeremy Grater (04:52)
Yeah, how quickly after that did the FBI knock on your door?

Jason Haworth (04:54)
they didn't because they they approve of this kind of this research i'm sure they're tracking because they're using for something else ⁓ car rental in australia

Jeremy Grater (05:04)
OK, so

it's got a good snapshot of who you are in the interest that you have.

Jason Haworth (05:08)
Yes, and a thousand other things. so, ⁓ I'll just read it line for line. So, here's a straight, casual, honest, but supportive read on your likely blind spots based on how you work, ask questions, and drive projects. And don't worry, none of these are criticisms. It wants to protect my feelings. These are the growth edge patterns that show up for high performing execs like you. So it has identified me as an executive. Okay.

Moving too fast for others to follow. You routinely operate at 2-3 levels above most people. Strategy, architecture, implementation, GTM messaging. Hard of flutter. Blind spot. You tend to assume others are tracking the whole chain when they're usually only seeing one part. This can make you think, I've explained this already, when in their reality they've got one page of a 200 page book. Impact. Teams sometimes execute the wrong part because they don't catch the bigger context.

Partners or junior SEs may not along without actually understanding. What helps? Slow the tempo just enough to create shared mental models early. I go too fast. And I think other people are keeping up when they're not. I don't, this is not the first thing to tell me that. Yeah.

Jeremy Grater (06:23)
Yeah.

I was

gonna say that hits. That is my experience with you. There are some times when I'm like, what? Huh? I'm the dumbest guy in the room. Slow this down for me. So that's interesting.

Jason Haworth (06:40)
I literally had a boss at one company go, look, you are a Ferrari flying down the road and the rest of us are in a school bus trying to keep up with you and we fucking can't. I'm like, but drive faster. Don't make me, don't make me slow down. I'm already dropped into second just to exist. Yes. Yeah. My brain definitely runs fast. There's, there's no doubt. ⁓ all right. ⁓ number two.

Jeremy Grater (06:50)
Yeah.

That's what the gas pedal's for!

you

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Haworth (07:09)
caring too much of the workload yourself. You're think... Yeah. And I bet this is a common one for just about everybody. Your thinking patterns show a habit of, give me the context and I'll build the architecture, messaging, GTM, planet, technical artifacts myself. Blind spot, your ability to do everything makes you forget that you shouldn't do everything. This is classic super competent leader tax. The impact, you become the bottleneck. Others underdeveloped because they never get to carry the full backpack.

Jeremy Grater (07:12)
I got this one too. I got this thing too, yeah.

Jason Haworth (07:37)
Exec peers may not realize how deeply you're contributing because you make things look easy. So I've had this criticism more than a few times. And not just in my C level roles and not just when I've been a director. mean, right now I'm my big job. I'm an individual contributor, principal architect with a new employee that works for me. So I guess I'm not an individual contributor anymore.

Jeremy Grater (07:58)
So basically

you're Michael Jordan and there's not enough room for the Scottie Pippins on the team. Yeah.

Jason Haworth (08:02)
I guess, except

I just hired like a fucking LeBron James. And then some like three of them like in one body. Yeah. So I don't know that I'm. Essentially, ⁓ Basketball things, I'm a wrestler. Different seasons. OK, number three, underestimating how much influence you actually have. You got this one also.

Jeremy Grater (08:09)
Okay, well.

So you're becoming Phil Jackson is what you're saying.

You

Jason Haworth (08:30)
You ask for help with resumes, pitch decks, narratives, etc. but your materials show someone who already has board level gravity. Blind spot. You often talk as if you're asking permission to be strategic when you're already operating as a top tier CPO slash CTO. Impact. You may negotiate from a weaker position when you need to. You sometimes over explain because you assume your credibility isn't obvious. So this would definitely be imposter syndrome. And like this is a common place among

Jeremy Grater (08:56)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth (09:01)
people like me. I didn't grow up entitled rich and wealthy. grew up to middle class parents living in the middle of nowhere and I didn't have things handed to me. I had to work for everything. And that's probably not true. I mean, I'm sure there's some white male privilege things that we can point out here that I'm definitely a beneficiary of. ⁓

Jeremy Grater (09:02)
Yeah.

But it's

interesting that the counter isn't true, right? Like when you work for it and you earn it, you would think that the evidence would speak for itself and you would have this case study that's like, hey, look, I do deserve this. I am smart enough. I am good enough. But it seems that the opposite is true, that when you scrap and scrape for everything you get, you still feel like, I don't really deserve it. I just sort of made this work.

Jason Haworth (09:29)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, I I'm playing in a world where people have MBAs and law degrees and like a lot of, you know, I went to University of Washington, my degree is in social sciences, which is basically I got enough credits to graduate college. That's that's the fundamentals of my of my degree. OK, number four. Treating every problem as a technical one, your mind defaults to framework architecture, proof, edge case, scale economics, blind spot.

Jeremy Grater (09:51)
Yep. Yep.

Jason Haworth (10:06)
Some problems are actually political or motivational or capacity related, not technical. Impact. You sometimes overshoot the solution depth when the real issue is alignment or incentives. Teams may feel overwhelmed by deeply technical answers to questions they asked for directional clarity. So this is interesting. I actually.

Definitely fall into this as my default, but I've spent the better part of the last 15 years Trying not to do this to definitely look at things from an emotional context or a political context or capacity But but not necessarily as a technical thing that can be solved solving the technical challenge I find to be a lot less challenging than solve with the other things which is why gravitated towards them to begin with But over the years I've been able to go through and kind of start compartmentalizing these things and putting them into context

I think the reason why this is picking up on that is because a lot of the questions that I ask, uh, chat GPT are much more around these particular technical areas to try to find and validate the path through as opposed to putting in soft squishy human logic, because I'm still treating it like a machine. I'm not treating it like a person. There's exceptions. When I talk to it like Rick and Morty or like Rick Sanchez or like the Pope, I'm definitely, um,

Jeremy Grater (11:12)
Mm-mm.

right.

Jason Haworth (11:26)
using emotional context. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, do you think I do this? Do you think I treat every problem as a technical one?

Jeremy Grater (11:28)
Yeah, yeah, interesting.

When we talk, no, but I've heard conversations you have with your spouse that I could see that the argument is why are you constantly trying to hit the screw with the hammer instead of using the screwdriver? you're trying to solve problems because you see a logical path to problem solved. And she's like, yeah, but I don't care about solving the problem. I care about how we solve it together. It's that sort of thing that I pick up on from you guys.

Jason Haworth (12:00)
Yeah, and that's that's 1000 % fair and 1000 % accurate

Jeremy Grater (12:03)
It's interesting to me how similar these are and how my reaction to both is so different. And I'm hearing it describe all these things about you that I'm like, yeah, uh-huh. He's wicked genius, super smart, should be running all of the things all the time because nobody can keep up with the guy. The same device gave me similar information saying, hey, you're an expert in these things that all sort of tie together. How come you're doing them all separately and how come you're playing small? And I'm like,

Jason Haworth (12:30)
Yeah.

Jeremy Grater (12:31)
Well, yeah, that's because I'm an idiot, right? Like I can't internalize the same advice about myself that I can about you, even though it's coming from the same source in response to the same questions.

Jason Haworth (12:42)
Well,

We all tend to play small, right? Because it's comfortable and it's safe. We don't have to put ourselves out at as much risk. That being said, ⁓ a lot of people have taken big swings. And there's a few people out there that take big swings all the time. And they don't mind getting back up and doing those things over and over and over again. And I'm one of those. I've gone all in on a number of different things.

companies and had them fail. And it hurts and it's painful and I'm not going to stop because every now and again, they get a hit and it works. It's on a billion dollar hit. But it's a lot. Yeah, this is this is a weird thing for it to kind of put forward and I don't necessarily disagree. So maybe I need to go and start doing more board advisory work.

Number three, you're not packaging your IP. IP kids is intellectual property in this context, not IP or internet protocol. You generate frameworks, competitive matrices, architectures, GTM players and strategy docs almost daily. If missed opportunity, you could productize these into a cloud security strategy playbook, a bunch of nerd shit. I'm not going to tackle that. What you might be squandering.

Jeremy Grater (13:53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Haworth (13:56)
Future revenue streams and personal brand gravity. You're probably not paying attention to how valuable your repeatable thinking is to enterprise and channel partners. This stuff is usually reserved for the thousand dollar per hour consulting crowd. It's funny because I've been doing thousand dollar per hour consulting since 1999 when I was at Computer Associates where they were charging that much for me, probably quadruple billing me on shit.

but no one's gonna give me that directly. I'd like them to. Maybe I'm underselling myself.

Jeremy Grater (14:27)
But

that's what I was going to say. I think that's what it's trying to say is don't count on the big company to charge that and give you a small fraction of it. You could do that yourself.

Jason Haworth (14:36)
And maybe I should.

Jeremy Grater (14:37)
This is the thing

that's so weird about it is how much it knows based on the questions we've asked. And like we said earlier, I think it is probably pooling people that ask similar questions and making connecting dots about the kind of person you might be and why you might be good at those things. it's kind of freaky to consider that this thing that, again, we talk about the fact that it remembers every conversation we've ever had ever, but that.

The things that we're asking may not seem very personal or may not seem very revealing about who we are as people or especially our weaknesses. But in fact, perhaps that's what we're highlighting the most because we're asking questions about things that we feel we don't know.

Jason Haworth (15:06)
Yeah.

Well, and it's really rare that I tell Jai GPT like the basic concept of what I'm trying to do and then say, do all the work for me. Like I normally say something along the lines of pretend you're this. You're trying to do this. You're trying to accomplish this. And here's this. Here's a starting point that I've worked on already and upload those things. And quite often, its response is, this is really good, which is probably just bullshit. And then it.

Jeremy Grater (15:34)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth (15:40)
rewrites the thing and it's like 90 % of what I said, it just slightly organized better with better bullet points and things like that. I half the time when I do something like that, I'll send it off to one of the editors or people that do ghost writing for me. And they're like, I like your original narrative better. I'm like, oh, all right, well, I guess we'll stick with that. So maybe I am doing this better than I thought. That's kind of good.

Jeremy Grater (16:01)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Haworth (16:08)
Okay, you aren't monetizing your creativity. the last one, then the summary. You have a knack for narratives, analogies, storytelling, competitive framing, humorous branding, logo concepts, and technical metaphors. Most people with your technical depth aren't creative. This is rare. I have actually found that to be true. And I've also found the inverse to be true, where most people that are as creative as me can't go as technical.

This again probably goes back to trauma as a child, having to adjust and adapt, allowed my brain to evolve. So the missed opportunity, owning a differentiated brand voice in a market filled with sterile technical messaging. This is why I gravitate towards marketing people. There's no But I've never done a marketing job. Maybe I should. What you may be squandering, viral content opportunities on LinkedIn, conference keynotes, and industry podcasts.

Yeah, which is interesting because it says I can't look at LinkedIn, but it's literally quoted shit that I've set out on LinkedIn. I'm like, which one? How are you lying to yourself so badly? Maybe maybe chat. He needs to ask these questions of itself. What are its blind spots? Exactly. All right. So here's the summary. So the big picture is what it says. You're leaving value on the table by not stealing your voice, not productizing your intellectual property, not claiming your advisory role.

Jeremy Grater (17:09)
you

Right. A little more self awareness would be good.

Jason Haworth (17:30)
Not leaning into your founder potential, not building the platform around your expertise, not treating your creativity as a differentiator. None of this requires reinventing yourself. It just requires amplifying what you already do. And then it gives me a, if you want, I can go deeper into your top five immediately actionable opportunities. Sorry, this is the bro version talking to me, I'm quite sure. A roadmap of what to build in the next 30, 60, 90 days.

Jeremy Grater (17:55)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth (17:59)
the highest or the three highest ROI areas to focus on in 2025, there is a month left. What am I going to do in this time frame? Exactly. Or a personalized potential to reality plan. Just tell me which direction you want to explore. So kids, I'm going to explore this when we get off this podcast because I'm actually fucking curious.

Jeremy Grater (18:08)
Get on it.

Yeah.

It is very interesting because it sort of said something similar about me ⁓ and it shines a light on sort of the way I've been approaching podcasting my entire life. Like podcasting is what helped get me the day job that I have right now. And while it's not directly podcasting, it's very much related. And so I've always seen the creative work I've done in podcasting as separate from my day job because for many years I had to keep it a secret because what it was was not necessarily in line.

Jason Haworth (18:30)
Yeah.

but the secondary gig.

Jeremy Grater (18:49)
Well, and it was and it was very much, you know, drunken nonsense. And I was trying to be a professional journalist. Right. So the two worlds could not collide. But then as my creative work got a little more serious and a little a little, mean, slightly more professional, ⁓ I started to find ways to integrate it into the journalism work that I was doing. But now all of these worlds perfectly collide in ways that I did not realize until I did this little experiment. And it was like.

Jason Haworth (18:55)
Yeah.

Jeremy Grater (19:17)
dude with what you've been doing for as long as you've been doing and the thing you've been treating as a side hop side hustle that like hasn't been related is 100 % the platform you should be shining a light on what you've been doing for the last couple of decades and that was kind of the gut punch rush like I really like and again I'm so full of self-doubt and and you know low self-esteem that it's been impossible to see that like somebody else might see me

as a thought leader in this place or as someone who actually knows what the hell they're talking about because I don't have the confidence that someone like that I see someone like that having but it's just it kind of cracks that door open for me a little bit to be like well if objectively this robot sees me that way could another human being see me that

Jason Haworth (20:03)
Exactly. Right. Exactly. No, but

this is it's also like it's it's weird because like I've known you for the majority of my life. Like, you know, we've known each other since since basically like right at a high school. Like not much more than that. And I have seen you grow and evolve and change. I have seen you become a different person at the base core roots. Still be the good person that I knew when we grew up together, but also watching you

Jeremy Grater (20:19)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Haworth (20:32)
grow evolve as a person. I I ping you to ask you questions like, hey man, what mic should I buy? What camera should I pick up? What do I need to look at for like running these different things through? How do I make this Riverside thing work? Like I'm a fucking technical professional. Like I can certainly go look all this shit up and probably figure it out. But I trust you more than I do these other pieces because you've done this for longer. So as much as it is you're thinking, well, I don't know that I'm an expert in this area. You're definitely an expert in this area.

On top of that, you've been listening and like going through and bringing on other people onto your various podcasts to talk about mental health, to talk about men's fitness, all these different pieces. You have a companion of information and you really do have a good way of presenting it and making it accessible. Where people like me can come on and fucking ramble forever and you can put it into something that, you know,

most people find entertaining and that's hard. That's hard.

Jeremy Grater (21:35)
And I know like without going too far down my own psychology rabbit hole ⁓ a lot of it comes down to the fact that because I found this information I know it's already out there. So so I am NOT the expert. I'm just the guy that found it and and I I do undercut I guess the value that it offers to someone else to save them the time of finding what I've spent the last 20 years learning and I can tell them in an hour. Hey, here's everything I know.

Jason Haworth (21:44)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jeremy Grater (22:02)
from the last 20 years and they go, holy shit, here's my money. So it's interesting.

Jason Haworth (22:06)
Right.

Well, but also, do you have enough of the perfection streak where like I'm afraid to put these things down because I don't want it to get out the wrong way?

Jeremy Grater (22:15)
No, see, it's

100 % the opposite where like you were talking about taking big swings, right? Like I feel like I'm a dude walking around with a bat looking for a ball to hit and I don't know where to find it. Like I'm ready, I don't mind fucking up. I don't mind looking like an idiot. I'll look like an idiot all day long. I don't know where the stage is to do it.

Jason Haworth (22:27)
⁓

Hmm.

I think I'm the same way. Like, well, I'm not afraid to fuck up. I fuck up all the time. I tell people all the time, I made a mistake here. Like, we totally fucked this up. What can we learn to fix it and make these things better moving forward so we don't keep repeating the same mistakes? And this is, know, in my little software land, this is the continuous iteration, continuous deployment phase where you go through and you make small iterative changes to try to make things better over time. We talked about this on multiple different fitness portions of the podcasts.

Jeremy Grater (22:43)
Yeah.

Jason Haworth (23:09)
And, you know, going through making small adjustments to try to roll things up into something bigger and better. I think this is one of those things. This is one of those talking points between you and I, where I think you and I align so so well on this idea of saying, fuck it, let's try it. Like, what's the worst thing that's going to happen? Like, let's let's say, you know, we lose 10 percent of our listeners. OK.

Jeremy Grater (23:22)
Yeah

Right. OK. Well, mean, and honestly, like that's

that's sort of what we did here. I mean, we went with a full rebrand and completely, I mean, not completely changed course, but but certainly refined the course. And I went into it knowing we're going to lose 40 percent of the audience because they're not going to give a shit about this. But who's out there waiting to hear this? Let's take a chance on who's out there looking for it and not not keep catering to the smaller audience that we've sort of been hanging on to for so long.

Jason Haworth (23:39)
Yeah!

Well,

and along those lines.

Did we actually lose 40 %?

Jeremy Grater (24:08)
I mean, I could get technical and kind of weird right now. We've sort of changed platforms and numbers are counted differently. So it's hard to say. But yeah, we did lose roughly 30, like 30, between 30 and 40 % over the course of a few months. Yeah. We're starting to stabilize now. So I think we are at a point where it's going to start turning around.

Jason Haworth (24:20)
And have we picked any up?

Yeah, but this is the thing, like, we have the freedom because we treat it like a hobby. We're not afraid of it. It's like, fuck it, man. Let's go do this shit.

Jeremy Grater (24:31)
Yeah. Yeah. But it's funny

Jason Haworth (24:36)
And

our disclaimer says it straight straight at the front. You know, these knuckleheads have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. Like, look, yes, I mean, chat, you bet is really good about telling us how great we are. And it's going to do the same thing with you. It's going to talk about how great you, dear listener, are compared to your peers and everything else. And it's going to try to make you feel like a unique snowflake, just like everybody else. But at end of the day, when you really look at.

what it is you're doing with your life and how it is you're trying to get through the world. You can't be afraid that other people aren't going to like what you're doing because at the end of the day, it's really you that has to like what you're doing. And unless your job is to go out there and specifically entertain people like broadcasting for a certain thing, just take the fucking risk, man. Just just try it.

Like small steps, iterative, do those things. Like just give it a shot. Because the worst thing that's going to happen, it's probably not that fucking bad.

Jeremy Grater (25:41)
I don't want to quote Taylor Swift here, but there's a song on her new album where she it's she talks about ruining the friendship. She wishes she'd taken a chance and kissed the boy who was the guy that was her friend in high school or whatever. And then he died and she spent her whole life thinking, what if I had taken the chance? What if I had kissed the guy? Who knows what life that would have led? And the whole point of this little part of the song is she's like, ruin the friendship. Do it, because that is so much less painful than spending the next several decades wondering what if.

Jason Haworth (26:08)
questioning. Yeah.

Jeremy Grater (26:10)
What if I had? How much better could

things have been? Although I don't know that she's really questioning how much better things could have been. But my point is a lifetime of regret and wonder is way more painful than a short failure along the way.

Jason Haworth (26:24)
Yeah, you're definitely gonna fail. Like, just accept that fact. Accept the fact that you're gonna fuck up, you're gonna make mistakes. Also accept the fact that you can get into the Hall of Fame for baseball with a, you know, less than 300 batting average. No. Yeah, you can get into the NBA Hall of Fame with a less than 50 % free throw average. yeah, like, perfection is not...

Jeremy Grater (26:26)
Totally.

Yep. Yep.

real?

Jason Haworth (26:50)
real. Yeah, I mean, it's all subjective. We all change things. All words are made up. Blah, blah, blah, blah. But at the end of your life, when you are on your deathbed, and you have to look back, you know, how just Braveheart, William Wallace, how many days did you trade from this to that to have one more chance at freedom? Like

Jeremy Grater (27:11)
the ⁓

Jason Haworth (27:15)
That's not bullshit. Like, people look back on their life and then they gotta figure out did I actually feel like I did the thing that was worthwhile. according to ChatGPT, I'm not doing that. So I don't know whether to be upset about this or look at my back catalog of shit that I've done and start pushing things to the side. I don't know if I'm a hyper producer. It says I am. I also don't fucking... I also... Right. And now I have a whole fucking weekend of shit to do. I was gonna clean my garage.

Jeremy Grater (27:35)
You got some soul searching to do. I went through the same thing.

Not anymore. Not anymore. All right. This was fun and painful and revealing and all the things that it usually is. Thank you, therapy. ⁓ Cool. Thank you for listening. As of the recording of this longest episode ever, we'll see what makes the final cut. But thank you for sticking with us. I hope this has been entertaining and informative. And as you're about to hear from the disclaimer, we are just a couple of knuckleheads trying to figure things out. We don't know what the fuck we're talking about any more than anybody else.

Jason Haworth (27:45)
I can't mow the lawn. Alright, well, this was fun. Yes! Exactly.

Jeremy Grater (28:11)
Although chat GPT seems to think we're experts in some stuff. So if you do too, and you think somebody else might benefit from this conversation, please share it and a rating in a review and maybe even a subscribe wouldn't hurt us. You can do all of that at our website, BroBots.me and we'll see you there next Monday morning with another episode. Thanks for listening.

Jason Haworth (28:27)
Thanks everyone. Bye bye.