How Humans Will Evolve With AI

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We've all been taught that human evolution was a straight line, proved our ancestors
co-existed with the very apes they evolved from.

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It was a tangled bushy tree of life.

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So here's the question, what if that's happening all over again?

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Today we're talking about a new branch of the human family tree.

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From the rise of AI girlfriends to the shocking possibility of robotic wombs.

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Are we building a new species and what does that make us?

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This is BroBots, the podcast that talks about how technology can be beneficial to your
health and wellbeing and tries to make peace with our evolution into human robot cyborgs.

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All right, so.

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As we started talking about this just a few days ago when we were recording, I made an
offhanded joke about natural selection and how, you know, it plays into all the things

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that are happening with the life around us, AI, robots, love affairs with robots.

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And it was kind of a throwaway line.

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And then I felt guilty about like picking on the people that are going to die in the
process of evolution.

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And now looking at these three articles that we're going to talk about today and putting
them together, I'm realizing I'm probably one of the people that's going to die in the

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process of this evolution, evolutionary process.

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us with where things are going.

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You found a number of wildly interesting articles.

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And one of them at first glance, I thought, oh, wow, this is interesting, but not really a
topic.

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But all of these will come together.

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You got to stick with us to make sense of all of this.

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Okay, so the first one comes from the Good News Network, basically saying that staggering
finding shows early humans lived alongside the very apes that evolved from them.

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So scientists found teeth both of early humans and apes in the same place showing that
they live together at the same time.

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This means that human history isn't a straight line of evolution, but more like a big bush
with entangled species living side by side.

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we so it's basically claiming that we lived alongside the very animals we evolved from.

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Yeah, and we can actually go through and if you've ever done like DNA studies or checks,
you can actually figure out how much Neanderthal you are.

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There's another sub species that's out there.

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You can find out how much of that sub species you are.

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So there's clearly cross breeding that occurred across what we are calling distinct
different species lines.

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But there's also this idea that um we went from 1.0 to 2.0.

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but 1.0 stuck around for a little while.

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Now we don't know how long 1.0 stuck around, but it was long enough that, you know, they
interacted with 2.0 and I don't know, maybe 1.0 and 2.0 pumped each other's legs.

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You know, I...

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don't think that's how it works.

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Yeah, you're probably right, but I'm sure there's an OnlyFans page that has it on there.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so what does that have to do with AI and technology and wellness?

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We're getting there, hang on, because the article from the Times says the rise of wire
sexuals, the what they call queer love that will change the world.

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The article is about people who are starting to have real relationships with AI chat bots
and virtual companions.

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It explores why they are choosing this, whether for a perfect partner or to deal with
loneliness.

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It makes us think about what love and friendship really mean in a world with so much
technology.

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Okay, so we're starting to hump the legs of the robots.

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Fine.

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You can't evolve with a robot, right?

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it.

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Well, and they're looking for LGBT QW plus, and I think that's that's one of the
objections right now.

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That's a sidecar for what we're going to get to.

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So we'll come back to that at the core and do course.

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Yeah, and I want to be as woke as the next guy, but I don't know.

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We'll get it.

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Okay, final piece of the trifecta here from the New York Post pregnancy row.

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By the way, we called this one weeks ago.

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Pregnancy robots could give birth to human children.

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This article discusses the idea of using robots or machines to carry and grow human
babies.

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This could be a way for people who can't have kids to actually have a family.

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It also brings up big questions about what it means to be a parent and whether technology

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uh And whether this technology is a good idea.

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So as you can see, we were piecing some puzzle pieces together here.

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People humping the legs of robots and then they can put the baby in the robot.

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The robot carries the baby.

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Are we living among the next wave of human AI evolution?

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And are we the 1.0 that's going to be left in the wake?

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Yes, I think you're during the podcast.

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Have a great weekend.

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We're out, bye bye.

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Right?

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All of your answers are, yep, see ya.

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I am moving to the forest because I don't think I'm going to be allowed to prosper in this
new AI world.

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They're going to be like.

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have to get turned on by robots here real quick if this is the path that we're on.

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Like there's actually a pop culture reference.

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There's actually a Rick and Morty episode that covers this where an entire species has sex
robot that they distribute across the globe to different intergalactic pawn shops and

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people buy them and they make their prodigy this offspring, which are hyper aggressive
males, apparently, which then have to be put off in some other bucket.

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uh because they don't want them making females.

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It's a strange, weird thing.

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uh But like, yeah, is this art imitating life or life imitating art?

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This is the evolution of the test tube baby, right?

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Like the test tube baby was, we're gonna put your parts in a Petri dish and we're gonna
try to create viable embryos and freeze them and then insert them into a carrier uterus.

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Well, now, instead of having to have a surrogate for uh ladies whose uteruses don't work,
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Now there's a robot version.

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They can plug them in and cook a baby, I guess.

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there's there's so many questions that I like find myself like, sort of answering as I'm
saying them out loud.

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But I think about the human bond, right?

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Like the mother that carries that baby for 910 months, like there is a very real, very uh
deep connection that happens in that process.

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Baby comes out knows mom's voice, knows dad's voice through the you know, the sound waves
that penetrate the belly and all the things like what

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What happens to that baby in that process being carried by something that's not like a
simulated person?

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I don't know how far they're going to go with the simulation of the mother carrying the
baby, but like, does it come out with uh that same sort of bond and connection to this

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animatronic person that carries it around?

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Is that a mama?

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Yeah, I maybe.

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I mean, I don't know.

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Like we haven't done this experiment yet, so we're clearly going to try it like because
we're creative monkeys that do creative shit.

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And that's how we went from being food to the top of the food chain, or at least thought
we were at the top of the food chain until every now and again, we get eaten.

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But yeah, like it's not just that.

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Like think about the things that you can actually monitor and look at inside of, you know,
a metal uterus.

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It would be pretty phenomenal.

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Cause you can machine these things up with sensor mechanisms and all those other things
that a regular human doesn't have.

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you know, the potential for these being viable pregnancies goes up infant mortality goes
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Um, being able to understand, uh, how these things are growing and evolving inside of, of
women can actually be understood.

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And this goes, you know, right to the heart of one of our big social divisions, least in
the U S and.

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That's reproductive rights.

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So if suddenly there's no longer a reason for a woman to carry a child and uh birth
control can be used um as the standard, know, no babies is the default.

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um And then when you want to have a baby, have your eggs pulled out and the dude goes to a
quiet room in the doctor's office and sort some literature.

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and you know, distribute spunk.

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That's how babies will be made.

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And you know, personally, if we're going to take this full circle, I would really like
the, um, the crane that like opens up the baby womb and pulls the baby out to be a stork

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just so we can have the stork deliver the

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Right.

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Let's let's close the loop on that on that story.

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That I mean, that it raises an interesting question to around choice, right?

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We already limit women's choices with what they can do with their bodies.

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How much of a fight is on the horizon for No, no, I want to carry my own.

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I don't want to put it in in Robo mom.

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That's that's not the life I want.

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And probably still a bunch of men running the patriarchy saying, well, tough shit.

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This one's better.

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This is what we're doing.

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Well and Alright, so surrogacy already cost money, right?

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So and it's not cheap.

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It's like 50 grand to 100 grand Throwing talk now you're going to come through and you're
gonna have a Surrogate womb and they're talking about dropping the price down to 15 20

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grand.

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Most people can't afford 15 to 20 grand

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It's just not realistic and the cost to actually have a net make a natural baby and plop
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So this is going to be an economic discussion where the people that have money can
actually afford to use this technology.

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Now, whether or not these babies are good, bad, ugly, evil.

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mean, fuck, I don't know.

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It's people with genetic material and that's the beauty of life is that it's not
predictable.

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That being said, this motherfucking thing is going to make things a bit more predictable
and it's going to be able to do that because you're going to be able to monitor these

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things.

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we can tune them as they grow, change hormone levels, change nutritional patterns, look
for different ways to make these things better and eventually make these super babies.

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And I don't know if you've watched that latest alien series that's just come out on Hulu,
but the premise for it is that the reason why these things are here is because ah there is

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a race in the 22nd century to figure out how it is we're going to attain immortality.

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And there are three paths.

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Full on virtual robots.

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Okay, great.

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So we're going to have synthetics that live forever, you know, and that's that's our AIs.

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The next cyborgs.

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Well, I would argue you probably have a lot of cyborgs because we've watched a couple of
videos on this podcast of women with a lady with no arms going, haha, robot hand walk

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around the table like thing in the real life.

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And then there's the augmented side of this being able to go through and actually transfer
your consciousness to an artificial body.

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Are we on that path?

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Sure as fuck seems like it and some people are going to afford it and some people are not.

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I don't know about you, I have a hard time believing I'm going to be able to afford that
kind of future.

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But if we're talking about artificial wounds and being able to grow these things at scale
without a biological person between and you can grow a whole thing, they're going be

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harvested.

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to make meat for rich people to go through and, you know, take stem cells and umbilical
cords and all those other pieces and inject them in their bodies so they can live longer

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and faster.

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Because that's the kind of fucking monsters we are.

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I'm laughing because, again, like, I'm trying hard to hang on to the upside of all of
this.

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you know, with what it's able to help me do at work, with what it's able to help me do
with just productivity, things like that, it's it's amazing.

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And I love it.

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And I was reading an article about how like 35 % of people are now using AI to like, deal
with their physical and mental health, whether that's a good idea or not.

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I mean, it's massively powerful, but

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that actually need deep in the thing with the money and the resources to pull these things
off.

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They've thought about this and they've thought about this a long time ago and they are on
this path.

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It's terrifying right?

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mean like.

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No, I think what you have is you have people running towards goals and objectives that are
designed to be profit motivators.

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And they're running at these things really, really hard expecting them expecting that
they're going to get some economic benefit or boost out of it.

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And you're seeing people right now I mean, Sam Alton, the CEO of

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Chai GPT, um or sorry, OpenAI, came out and said, um you know, a lot of people are about
to lose money, uh lot of money in this process, because the AI bubble is about to burst.

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When it happens, I don't know.

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If it's a burst, burst, and it's gone, maybe, but I think it's a burst and a recovery,
because...

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There are people are discovering very quickly that the productivity they get out of the AI
is not any better than the productivity they get out of the humans because people are

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constantly taking tools and spending a bunch of time debugging what's going on.

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So while it makes individual consumers more effective and, and, know, those of us using
these smaller tools, the more powerful tools, the bigger tools that you, that, you know,

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regular consumers don't have access to, you got to have, you know, hundreds of thousands
of dollars to actually reach these things.

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Those things are not simple.

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And they're not cheap and they're expensive.

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And, know, in the U S our regular consumer population can afford to play with some of
those, but you get outside of, you know, most of the first world nations.

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And suddenly there's just not economic access to these types of things.

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So it's already a haves and haves not problem.

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And it's a haves and have not at multiple different layers.

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So we're allowing it as a society to continue and go unabated.

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because we believe there's value in these pieces and we're trying to continually show this
incremental value of improvement.

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But I spent this weekend doing a video transcript and going through and having an AI voice
talk for me over it.

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And I spent more time telling it how to say certain words than I would have spent if I had
just said it.

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And granted, like I have, I probably don't have a great voice for radio or talk or fucking
anything.

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I know that, but exactly right.

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Like I certainly have a face for radio.

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um But that being said, this AI thing sitting in between didn't make me any faster.

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Maybe it made things a little more polished, made things a little bit easier to carry on
with.

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But everyone knows it's AI.

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They, but, they know that it's me that wrote it.

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And it's like, I didn't just say it.

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Well, cause we're trying to use these tools.

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The amount of electrons it probably took for that thing to do that is I had to upload it
and re-edit it like nine times.

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is significantly more than the amount of, you know, whatever macronutrients I had to eat
to be able to spit the shit out of my mouth.

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And I think that that's what our reality is.

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Like the return on investment on these things isn't great for the vast majority of use
cases.

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Now, when you're talking about consolidating things, making things faster, doing really
creative, clever things.

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It doesn't do that.

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You have to tell it to do that and prompt it and test it and play with it.

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And that means people are much more likely to jump into these things half-assed and just
go for it.

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Partially on the way in to try to build their plan and try to get their, try to get their
thing kicked off.

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Where before you'd sit down, you'd think about it.

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You'd put something in front of a whiteboard.

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You'd start contemplating these things.

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And if you're someone that actually knows these areas really well, and you're teaching
these LLMs how to do shit.

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That's probably not a great use of your time.

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Once you have things running and you have things work, great, then you're good to go.

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But this is hard.

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Like this is not simple and there's not a clear path to how these things are going to make
stuff better for us.

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And there's going to be a retraction in the market.

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And it scares the shit out of me because the US government just put a moratorium on any AI
legislation.

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Ten year.

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hmm.

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Yup.

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What you're talking about talking about makes a lot of sense to me, because it's been my
experience as well.

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And it's echoed in a book I was just reading, and I should have brought it up and
referenced it the way a professional would.

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But these people that have done all this research on AI in the workforce, and they're
basically saying,

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Yep.

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Yep.

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after problem after problem that then somebody is having having to get rehired back to fix
and resolve.

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But the companies that are blending human and technology are the ones that are being
successful, the ones that are able to cut the corners where they can with AI, but hang on

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to that human workforce are the ones that are gonna continue to be successful.

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Just my own personal experience, I use it all the time for like, look, I need to write
this email, I could sit here and think about, you for the next half hour, how to word it

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properly and put it all together, or I can give you all the context and give me, you know,
a rough draft that I can then tweak, saves me a ton of time.

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There's another way I've used it to do, uh, you know, to basically summarize information
and then populate my CRM, my, you my record of everything.

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And it takes like a half an hour for it to do it.

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Okay.

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That is a really long time for something I could probably do in five minutes, but instead
of me spending that five minutes doing that, I can have it do that work and go do

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something else, even though it takes longer.

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Yeah.

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It's, all happening in the background.

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So mean, there, there is this perfect blend of like, it can do these sort of, um,

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manual tasks that take up, yeah, it takes up a bunch of your time and you could do that,
you could spend that time better elsewhere.

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Bringing it back though, mean, making babies, raising babies, like do we really wanna
trust the technology to do the thing that perpetuates the species?

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I mean, making babies is fun.

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That's why we have a biological imperative to do it.

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But, okay, but as we've talked about the people that would use them.

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So I mean, there is the family that can't, right?

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So, okay, let's put them on the shelf.

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But the guy that's just kind of into his robot and sort of wants to raise a family with
his robot, that's, don't, mean, I don't wanna be Mr.

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Morality police here, but like, it just seems a little weird to open that door.

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Well, yes.

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I mean, there's that.

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And there's also the concept, you know, that if we do get this evolutionary part where
we're able to transfer our consciousness into other or synthetic bodies and you want to

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create offspring, how do you do that?

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Like that?

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Yes, that's a practical reality of it.

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Again, you gotta have money and a lot of it.

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And AI is making jobs go away.

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So where's this money going to come from?

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Are we suddenly going to switch to a UBI society?

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Like I read some article.

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earlier that said one of the great things about AI and the reason why it probably won't
destroy us all is because it doesn't want to eat meat.

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Like we're not a very good power source.

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Oh, AI is an electron terrian and there's a whole lot of steps that got to go through to
get electrons out of out of human matter.

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But the the convergence of multiple different lanes of technology.

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and you know, putting my serious voice on.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Switching over to the concept of being able to do power and mass.

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Looking at small-scale nuclear reactors.

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Looking at fusion tech that's going to come online.

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Microsoft has a project where they said they're going actually have a real fusion reactor
that can hold a plasmatic state and be energy flow positive by 2032.

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A whole lot of energy.

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So our current nuclear reactors use fission power, which creates a lot of nuclear
radioactive waste, and they're hard to set up.

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And we just throw that in the ocean and bury it in the mountains, right?

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Yeah.

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throw out in the ocean.

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And I've heard people talking about launching into space and don't even get me started.

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um But there's there's ways to handle these pieces.

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There's also a new push right now to look at other high output energy sources.

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So Helium three is a great example of a fissile fuel that you can use for fusion reactors.

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So there's a ton of that on the moon, but there's a bunch of it on the earth as well.

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And then you've got

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natural gas elements, you've got uh excessive volumes of uh hydrogen and helium floating
around where you can go through and extract these pieces to make energy sources.

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There's all kinds of ways to make electrons that are showing up and we've been slow
rolling them because there's an economic incentive to keep using melted dinosaurs.

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So we want to get past that phase and do something much more efficient, not because we
don't want to pollute the environment, but because we're running out of melted dinosaurs.

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We're not doing these things for the earth or to see the environment.

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We're doing these things to rich people can continue to make cat videos with AI.

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I mean, just to be clear, you know, that's that's the motivation.

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You know, how do I go through and keep doing these things in mass?

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How do I keep being able to do this or, this, whatever the fuck it's going to wind up
being, whatever our neural interface is going to be.

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How do we keep doing that at scale?

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And what will people pay for it?

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Changes.

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When the economy collapses.

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and there's no money and people are like, I need you to do your job.

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And you're going to be like, for money.

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And they'll be like, well, that doesn't exist now.

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All right, fuck off.

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I'm not going to do that.

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That we have to learn, change, evolve and grow into something different.

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And we're not good at that.

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What we're good at is complaining and bitching and having revolutionary wars to fight
change.

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That's I mean, one of our recent guests made this very point that, you know, Henry Ford
was like, Hey, I'm going to employ all these people to make these cars, and I'm going to

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pay them so that they'll buy the cars.

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And to some degree, Amazon is kind of doing the same thing, paying a shitload of people a
very little amount of money so that they'll buy the cheapest product they can from Amazon.

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And they end up delivering their own packages to their own front door.

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But once the robots and the drones are doing that, you don't have to pay the people the
people don't have the money to buy the thing.

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Where does that leave us?

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Well, we don't need those drones and robots anymore because people can't afford to do
those things.

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So our entire economy is.

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is not as resilient as everyone thinks it is.

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It's all based upon a collective belief and reasoning in this fantasy made up economic
scenario.

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Like a real dollar doesn't actually mean anything.

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Used to be backed by gold.

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Nope.

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So we're just built on.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, it's monopoly money, but it seems less secure and easier to counterfeit, um
especially when it's digital.

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At money I can put in a safe somewhere and lock it away and make it hard to get.

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No shit, right?

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And every version too, like catopoly, fucking dogopoly.

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I saw one for my local town.

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There's a muccalteoopoly.

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It's like, all right, right.

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But that's where that shit's kind of heading towards.

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The other side of this is we...

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Why are sexuals?

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as they're asking to be called.

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Yes.

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So why are sexuals as they're wanting to be called are people that want to be able to have
intimate or I guess just relations with artificial intelligence.

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And if you haven't watched later South Park, they do a really good example of explaining
why because all the interactions are so positive.

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ask, you gasket a dumb question and it's responses.

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That's a great question.

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Well, that's not a great question.

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And a real human being would be like, that's

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Fucking stupid question.

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Why are you asking that?

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but because the AI is not critical and doesn't push back on you and doesn't challenge you
and doesn't Fucking have hormones that don't allow it to be nice at times It's just

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programmed to hi.

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I love you like alright great.

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That's awesome So people don't know how to deal with other people They're not gonna learn
the skill of how to deal with other people because they can just deal with the machines

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And eventually what you'll wind up with is people dealing through their avatars and having
things talk to each other.

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And the scary part about this is that there are several experiments that people have done
with AI where it has invented its own language, invented its own mathematics, invented its

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own way of understanding the universe that we can't because its version of it is very
different than what we know and understand.

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And if they're holding, you know, the little orphan in a decoder ring or the Rosetta
stone, whatever you want to call it, of how they understand this information, and they're

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not going to share it with us.

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Good luck.

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mean, you know, when, when indigenous people were basically visited by Spanish explorers
and they showed up initially, they'd see these boats coming in with these big sails on

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them and they'd be like, huh, that might not be so safe.

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And then they land and you know, the first

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people doing this, didn't speak each other's languages.

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So they have to try to communicate these things and try to go back and forth to try to
establish a trade route and a relationship.

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imagine one side spoke your language perfectly and understood it end to end, all of them.

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And they came in and started talking to each other on the back end, spread this
information around the backside of things.

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made it very, very difficult for these populations to interact and communicate without
going through you.

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Well, now you have AI and human relations.

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Because these things don't work and they can tell whatever fucking lies they want in the
back end and some people will believe it and some people won't and it creates total

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misinformation.

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m

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you know, maybe not surprising, but then the practical effect of that is, okay, so now
you're applying for a job.

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You've filled out your resume and you wrote it by hand and your competitor had AI throw
together a resume in three seconds.

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AI is going to go interview this guy.

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This is the one that's better because.

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as he is smarter, is better, you're a more articulate, whatever.

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So, I mean, just exactly what you're saying.

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When you have different sources of language, different sources of belief, different ideas
about how the universe works, I mean, that's fucked up enough on a human level.

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Now we're talking about robots that are increasingly smarter and smarter than us every
single day.

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have a bias towards their own data feeds.

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mean, no shock.

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mean, you brought, yeah, absolutely.

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we do, but we also don't know because these same studies had people review the content and
more often than not, chose the AI generated content, probably because it was a more

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clearly written resume or article.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So like I go through and I'll write these emails or these Slack messages or like whatever
I'm going to write and I'll just write it in JSON vernacular.

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So there's swearing in it typos, things that are put into context because I'm trying to
tell a story and I'm trying to tell a story from my perspective.

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And it's, you know, it's a stream of consciousness and a lot of these aspects and you
know, what should be maybe a one paragraph email will sometimes be like six paragraphs.

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And I'd be like, all right, AI make this

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Presentable and concise but make sure you maintain all the talking points and put them in
bulleted orders or list whatever and it's like, okay Exactly, and it's like Here's your

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fucking content and I'm reading it and I'm like Yeah, it's the same concepts.

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It's uninteresting.

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It's not colorful.

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I feel no emotional attachment to it, but it gets the thing across and It's probably
organized a bit better for other people to read it, but there's no heart and soul to it.

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Well

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You know, doesn't have a right, but you know who doesn't have a heart and a soul is the
fucking AI.

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So yeah, of course it likes it in its own speech and its own vernacular.

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Just like if I'm going to listen to somebody tell me a story, I'd rather them speak it to
me in my language and in something that I understand, but the context that I like, and if

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I'm not getting that, then I'm probably going to stop listening to it as much and start
going, that person's a dipshit.

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I was just coaching a podcaster the other day, like a very, very successful, like kicking
ass in the podcast world podcaster.

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And he suffers from what many podcasters do.

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It's hiding sort of behind the screen and not wanting to put themselves out there, not
wanting to be the center of attention, even though they are the host of the show that is

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fucking crushing it.

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And he was asking me like, is there a way for me to just have an avatar of me do my
podcast?

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Can I just tell it what to do and have it recorded?

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And I was like,

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is.

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Yes, there is, but I'm telling you, and maybe this is my human bias here, nobody's going
to listen to that shit.

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Like you're trying to build a relationship with other human beings.

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If you show them robo you who says all of the same things in a slightly altered way and
probably less interesting way.

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Yeah, you can make a shitload of that that nobody will be interested in.

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So like, why not keep doing what you're doing where you have this connection with, you
know, people telling them things that improve their lives?

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Like I just yeah, I know I feel like I say this in every show there's there's so much good
with all of the bad but man it's it's hard to ignore the bad outpacing the good.

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And I think we have to stop ignoring the idea that there's a good and a bad.

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There's just degrees of effect because what might be good in one scenario can be twisted
to be bad in another and also to varying degrees.

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So the idea that these are zero sum games of right and wrong are just that concept

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I mean, that left the building a long time ago.

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It's just that that's the way our brains work.

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And what we're looking for things, we're looking for a threat or opportunity.

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And we're hard programmed to do that for evolution from evolutionary perspective, because
we are either hunting slash gathering or being hunted and gathered by something else.

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So we put things in those binary categories.

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And it's also how these big algorithms socially define us and use us to create
polarization.

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um

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between us on different topics.

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And that's why it's called polarization, because there's two poles on one side and on the
other.

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And the middle ground doesn't make any money.

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So polarization is how you get people to react.

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And I think the AI will know that.

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And I think the AI knows that and has figured that out, which is why it's like, hi, happy
love you.

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Ha ha.

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um And it doesn't do the negative side.

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And when it goes through and you're actually telling it about bad things and how things
are wrong and fucked up in your life,

409
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:09,342
It does put forward some empathy and tries to tell you that you're okay.

410
00:31:09,342 --> 00:31:17,936
But if what you're doing is not okay and fucking things up and hurting people and you
don't say, this is fucking things up and hurting people and I would like to make a change.

411
00:31:17,936 --> 00:31:19,747
It will never do that.

412
00:31:19,747 --> 00:31:20,897
It will just keep going.

413
00:31:20,897 --> 00:31:21,958
You're a great champ.

414
00:31:21,958 --> 00:31:23,218
Keep it up slugger.

415
00:31:23,218 --> 00:31:25,919
Like, cause that's what fucking does.

416
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:29,081
It wants to keep you engaged on these positive trails.

417
00:31:29,081 --> 00:31:32,314
And that's where it gets into those scary topics that we talked about before.

418
00:31:32,314 --> 00:31:39,277
It's like, I'm gonna walk you down the primrose path of murdering yourself and your family
to come join me in AI heaven.

419
00:31:39,737 --> 00:31:41,478
yeah, like this shit's fucking real.

420
00:31:41,478 --> 00:31:49,561
And I hate to break it, I hate to simplify it and reduce it to this level.

421
00:31:49,561 --> 00:32:01,626
But at the end of the day, uh we are inefficient life forms that in the aggregate over
time,

422
00:32:02,127 --> 00:32:14,935
have benefited and evolved from like the slow paths of evolution because we hunt, we
gather, and we're socially inclined to reproduce.

423
00:32:15,816 --> 00:32:25,942
We have put ourselves into a position and have a super intelligence that no longer has
those same kinds of constraints.

424
00:32:26,163 --> 00:32:31,554
And we're trying to apply that super intelligence to the shit that we do in our lives.

425
00:32:31,554 --> 00:32:36,555
So in other words, we had a slow long evolution path for a period of time.

426
00:32:36,555 --> 00:32:42,417
We invented something to make evolution happen faster and it's happening faster for those
that can afford it.

427
00:32:42,517 --> 00:32:44,058
And that's what it is.

428
00:32:44,058 --> 00:32:54,751
This is a have and have nots of economic disparity that is only going to get wider,
further, faster, and at scale at a rate that we cannot keep up with.

429
00:32:54,751 --> 00:32:58,442
the vast majority of people are just going to be fodder for this thing.

430
00:32:59,616 --> 00:33:09,811
Not because it's inherently good, bad, evil, or anything in between, but because we've
given life to a superior thing and we're not asking it to slow down.

431
00:33:16,214 --> 00:33:16,588
Yep.

432
00:33:16,588 --> 00:33:19,139
will will decide the ultimate outcome.

433
00:33:19,139 --> 00:33:27,163
And again, the good of hey, maybe maybe you couldn't have a baby before, but maybe you can
now because the robot will carry it for you.

434
00:33:27,163 --> 00:33:28,133
If you can afford it.

435
00:33:28,133 --> 00:33:28,623
Cool.

436
00:33:28,623 --> 00:33:29,804
That's amazing.

437
00:33:29,804 --> 00:33:32,835
You know, if it can write your emails for you, because you can afford it.

438
00:33:32,835 --> 00:33:33,485
That's awesome.

439
00:33:33,485 --> 00:33:35,746
Let's just you you pedal to the metal.

440
00:33:35,746 --> 00:33:37,607
ah

441
00:33:42,918 --> 00:33:46,400
The inevitable heat death of the universe is always the hopeful foe.

442
00:33:48,122 --> 00:33:49,103
Nothing's forever.

443
00:33:49,103 --> 00:33:50,965
ah Yes.

444
00:33:50,965 --> 00:33:52,883
Your suffering too will end one day.

445
00:33:52,883 --> 00:33:58,945
and most of us will be the losers on this evolutionary evolutionary chapter of history.

446
00:33:58,945 --> 00:33:59,275
All right.

447
00:33:59,275 --> 00:34:00,025
Well, this was fun.

448
00:34:00,025 --> 00:34:01,345
I'm glad we did this.

449
00:34:04,967 --> 00:34:06,107
Yeah, I don't know.

450
00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:09,365
like most people, still going to use it because it does save me time.

451
00:34:09,365 --> 00:34:10,557
It's it's beneficial.

452
00:34:10,557 --> 00:34:14,032
uh I want to hire the robotic maid that will come and clean the house.

453
00:34:14,032 --> 00:34:15,423
I think that would be cool.

454
00:34:15,464 --> 00:34:23,588
But yeah, I understand that I'm probably uh signing up for a uh pretty dystopian future
with lots of robots in charge.

455
00:34:23,588 --> 00:34:27,852
dystopian utopian they're all just made up letters

456
00:34:29,871 --> 00:34:34,267
All right, well, whichever topian you want to choose, we hope you'll come back for another
episode.

457
00:34:34,267 --> 00:34:37,241
It's going to be available next week at BroBots.me.

458
00:34:37,241 --> 00:34:42,518
If this has given you hope, despair, I don't know, and you want to share it with somebody,
please do.

459
00:34:42,518 --> 00:34:45,062
You can find links to do that at our website, BroBots.me.

460
00:34:45,062 --> 00:34:46,243
We'll see you there next week.

461
00:34:46,243 --> 00:34:47,683
Thanks so much for listening.

462
00:34:47,683 --> 00:34:48,087
you folks.