How To Escape Social Media's Mental Health Trap

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You ever get that nagging feeling like you're just not doing enough or you're just falling
behind?

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We've all been there and today we're talking about why that feeling might be directly tied
to your phone.

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I recently went on a hike with some new friends and was reminded that real connections are
messy, human, and a million times more valuable than anything you'll see in that feed.

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Today we're taking a look at why it may be time for a social media detox, not just for me,
but maybe you too.

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This conversation isn't just about deleting apps, it's about giving you back your peace of
mind and your time.

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We'll give you the tools you need to stop comparing yourself to others a that feels
authentic and rewarding.

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Stick around.

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This is BroBots, we're the podcast that tries to help you use AI and technology to safely
manage your health and well-being.

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All right.

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So Jason, the topic I want to talk to you about today, let's be honest.

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It's a little duh, right?

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It's a little obvious, but I'm hoping it's one of the topics that you've heard it a
hundred times.

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You've thought about it a hundred times.

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And maybe this is the time that you hear it and went, Oh, you know what?

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I'm actually going to take action on this because I had it.

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I've now had a couple of experiences with social media and reality that are super
conflicting, that are very different experiences that are

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shining a bit of a light on how it's affecting my own mental health.

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I'll start with a couple of weeks ago I went on a hike with a couple of like sort of new
friends who I don't really know super well.

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So just went out in the woods and hung out with these guys for a few hours.

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And it was so interesting because the conversations we were having were relatively the
same age, relatively the same socioeconomic position in life.

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Talking about how hard it is to buy a house, how hard it is to get by.

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Prices are really expensive for everything.

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Like how hard life is just the day to day grind stuff.

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And it was oddly comforting and reassuring to be like, God, I'm like, I don't feel so
alone in my struggles to get by and do all the things.

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Contrast that with, you know, what I see as I'm flipping through social media or whatever.

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The constant grind of.

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bro, you should be crushing it.

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And here's the seven prompts you are away from being an overnight millionaire.

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And you know, if you're not doing this, you're lazy.

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And if you're not doing this, you don't care enough.

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If you're not doing this, you're too distracted.

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You're not focused on the right things.

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And it just, when I look at that shit, it speaks to me and it makes me feel like I'm not
doing enough.

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It plays on all of my mental health weaknesses and all of my gaps where I don't feel
confident, where I feel a lot of shame about things that I wish I could do better.

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you

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to like hanging out with real people saying the same things that I think when I'm not, you
know, being fed garbage information.

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And so it was just, it was a really uh strong reminder that, that, you know, something we
talk about here all the time, that like, if, you want to be less influenced by all this

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shit, just unplug and go outside and go do something else.

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And I did, and this was even echoed last night.

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I went out to a show, like a Broadway type show.

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And as we're waiting for the curtain to open,

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I looked around the crowd and everyone is just scrolling and scroll Pinterest, Facebook,
Instagram, Tic-Tac.

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That's all everyone's doing.

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Like we are not bored anymore.

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We are just filling our brains with this crap.

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And I just I had like I just looked around and I thought if everyone is having the same
experience I am where like yes, sure, they're in this social experiment, but they're

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sitting next to other human beings.

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And instead of engaging with them, going to the device.

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It's no wonder we have a mental health crisis, you know, in the Western world and around
the world because we're so glued to these things.

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And when I look at it and I think critically about the stuff I'm looking at, there's no
value in it.

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There is so little entertainment value, so little of what the helpful information is, is
actually helpful.

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And it just was a huge wake up call, a huge reminder for me that like I'm too sucked in,
I'm too...

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drawn to these things.

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And I give myself all the excuses in the world of, well, I have this podcast.

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I need to be sort of engaged and you need to know what's going on and you need to be
informed.

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And so I'm you know, I give myself all these outs and reasons to continue to use it.

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But man, three hours in the woods did more for my mental health than any researching for
anything we talk about in the show has done in months.

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So.

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I just wanted to sort of open this up by talking about the fact that, you know, we offer
this as advice all the time.

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I took my own advice.

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I got out in the woods and man, did I feel better.

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And so I just I hope somebody hearing this just goes like, you know, I keep thinking that
I need to delete those apps.

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been talking about it.

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I've been thinking about getting rid of them, looking less, setting limits on them,
whatever.

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Do it because, my God, from my own anecdotal uh experience, it made a massive difference
in the way that I was feeling.

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um To get that kind of endorphin rush, ah we used to have to like, hunt bears, or like,
gather fruit.

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Like, reason why it's there is because, ah the reason we had the reaction we do to social
media is because it's an immediate chemical and emotional trigger.

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And the social media companies know this.

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And they know that we're addicted to it and they know that we're waiting for it because
you're waiting for that next like or that next little thing that we can pull in where we

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can share this to our feet or drop these things across because we get excited about these,
you know, really micro dosing of uh different chemical responses that mirror some of the

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shit that we evolved from.

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So.

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It's fucking cool, right?

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Like it's neat because you can get this kind of relief and excitement from it.

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And we've been doing this for a long time.

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Like TV has done this for a long time.

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Like it's, it's not a substitute for reality, but we use it quite a bit as that, which is
how the human experience works.

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And since we're social creatures and we've evolved to live in social dynamics and social
hierarchy, anything that goes through and reinforces our beliefs in tribe and unification

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and ownership is something that gives us even more relief and feels like we're more
included in these things.

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And we get this FOMO piece where if we're not paying attention to this, am I going to miss
something that goes by where I'm not going to be included as part of the tribe?

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Because I just don't know.

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Am I going to, is something going to happen here that, you know, I, I feel like I'm
disconnected from this, that one email going to come through that I missed and I've

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missed, know, some Nigerian Prince offering me $20 million just to sign my name.

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mean, like it's this kind of shit that these tech companies

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and various criminal organizations have decided that they're going to use to try to
spearfish us and go after us in a large collective mass way.

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And they do it to try to attract our eyeballs, to try to get advertising revenue.

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Because again, like we said, you're the product.

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So you kind of got to make a choice.

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uh And you can make this choice multiple times throughout the day.

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You can make it once.

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But the choice is when to put that shit down.

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If you choose to hang on to it and keep engaging with it in this way, it's going to
consume you.

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mean, you will be the product that will be eaten up in this way.

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And there's no doubt like it's happening.

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Um, but also we have to stop thinking that what we're doing, what we're interacting with,
how we're handling these pieces has any real bearing on the universe because it doesn't.

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A lot of folks, know, especially our age who were, you know, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, em you
know, 60 % of population is going through an existential crisis all the time because the

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media sources encourage that.

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trying to find our identity, who we are, how we lock into those places.

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And it's constantly being rocked, shifted and changed because we're constantly trying to
grow and evolve into something that

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we think we want to be or we think we should be as opposed to just being who we are.

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So we're constantly looking for this evolutionary path to change because so many things
are saying, if you just did this, you could have this.

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When the reality is you probably don't fucking need that.

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And if you put all those things down, you're probably still going to process oxygen the
same way.

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You're still going to turn carbon and other things into energy.

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You're still going to shit.

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You're still going to sleep.

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And you're still going to die one day.

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And whether you die at

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74 because you you've decided to forgo certain pharmaceutical supplements or whatever.

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Or you die at 77 because you live three extra years longer because you bought electric
scissors that could do all the cutting for you and it made your life so much better.

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Like.

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This is the shit that you.

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We are not equipped to handle.

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And it's clear these types of existential crises have been happening for a very long time
because we have multiple world religions that have tried to fill this gap for people since

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people could get together and and draw on walls or like talk in front of fires.

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And we've just taken this and like wrapped it up into some bullshit shiny package now and
a little tiny handheld device that we treat as our spiritual influence and spiritual

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guide.

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It's not that.

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It's a fucking set of electrons that are trying to get you to look at it.

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Because the people on the other end don't really give a fuck about you.

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They want to make sure your eyeballs are focused on the screens.

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They can sell more ads.

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Like, at some point, you got to put that stuff down and walk away and do something
worthwhile.

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And that something worthwhile might be like taking a hike in the woods, getting to have
those connections, talking with people.

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The other thing that might be of value is

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Maybe go outside and cut your fucking lawn because it's way too long and I might be
speaking to myself right now.

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Right, but that's that's kind of my point.

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Like there are all kinds of ways you can improve your life, make yourself feel better,
look at different things, understand how these things work.

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Yeah, of course.

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is nothing easier.

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the default for I'm gonna say most people but what I really mean is me.

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When my brain is tired from working and parenting and all the things that I've needed to
do all day.

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my God there's nothing easier than I'm just gonna stare at this thing.

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I'm just gonna look for a minute.

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I'm just gonna catch up see what's going on.

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Two hours later, an hour later, whatever, like whatever responsibilities I've completely
neglected because I just wanted to turn my brain off for a minute.

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my God, there's nothing easier than sitting there and feeling like you're doing something
and you ain't doing shit other than than making things worse.

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Yeah, it's incredibly hard.

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even as I'm saying this out loud, like I set my own little, you know, time, I shortened my
time limits to, you know, 30 minutes a day on all this shit, which, know, you push one

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button and that goes away.

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But even as I'm saying, I'm going like, no, like when we're done talking here, delete that
shit, because it's it's not helpful.

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It doesn't benefit me to know these things.

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It's no longer a connection tool for people in my life because every eighth thing that
comes up in my feed is someone I actually know.

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Everything else is someone trying to sell me something or trying to convince me that I'm a
piece of shit and I need to buy something else from them.

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So it's I just I'm sort of accidentally becoming an advocate here for just unplugging
completely because it's just it just gets worse.

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And even the content that is being shared.

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So much of it is now AI.

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like it's not even coming from real people.

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It's generated by robots and it's not connecting in any way.

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Like I'm just finding like which ads do I want to scroll by to find out that somebody I
know that I haven't seen in 10 years had lunch today at a cool place.

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Like it's just not worth the time.

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And when you look at all of the ways that you could be genuinely growing or becoming the
person you feel like you need to be.

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It's so much easier if you put that fucking thing down and.

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take an actual step in that direction.

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Yeah, so I kind of give myself half an hour to scroll through reels and social media
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That's it.

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um But I'm also like my screen time on my phone is probably three and a half, four hours a
day.

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And that's because I'm using it to look at particles and do work shit.

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Um, and I will say I spend a significant amount of time, uh, playing really dumb, simple
little games on my phone.

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And I set the difficulty to the highest.

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So I consistently lose because I know that what will happen is I will get bored of losing.

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And then I'd be like, all right, I've had enough and I'll put it down because I hate to
break it to everybody, but life's hard and the only way out is through.

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So you have to do those things and you can do hard things and you have to convince
yourself that you can do hard things and you can make a plan and try and do these things.

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And if you really feel like you interactions with machines and in this kinds of way, use
them as tools, but use them as tools to make things better for yourself in meat space.

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not as a traditional distraction.

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And I'm not saying, you have to quit cold turkey and not use it for distractions and not
lock into those pieces.

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Yeah, sure.

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Do that.

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But set timers and all that.

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even if you're a social media producer, editor, marketing person, like you probably have a
decent idea of, you know, when I've had enough, when you start to gloss over, when you're

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like, I'm going to keep watching this.

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I'm going to go pee right after I finish.

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Watch this.

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As soon as that runs through your brain, I'm

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going to hold waste in my body for a prolonged period of time so that I can finish
watching this whatever cat mean fucking boner pill, whatever the fucking thing's going on.

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You've gone too far.

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Put it down like throw it on the ground.

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They're very resilient.

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They're probably bounce and you'll probably be OK.

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Don't sue me if your screen breaks.

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um But like the whole thing is like you can't sit there and I'm afraid you can sit there
and doom scroll.

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Or you can sit there and use these things as an effective way to try to do something
better for yourself.

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But you have to decide what's better for yourself.

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And we bitch a lot about chat GPT trying to create intent to try to put these things into
play.

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You know what a really great uses for that go through and say, here are my goals.

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Here's what I want to try to accomplish.

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Can you help me scope and narrow these things in and tell me what steps need to take to
make these things happen?

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Cool.

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When you have that free time.

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open that window up and look at it and say, am I doing this?

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Am I doing that?

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Am I doing this?

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And if you're not, well, then fuck off because you're doing it wrong and you know it and
it's cognitive dissonance and we push ourselves to uh try to meet certain goals and

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expectations, but getting distracted is really, really easy along the way.

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So choose it's hard.

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Yes, it is.

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But it's probably not as hard as holding a shit in so you can figure it.

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If you finish watching some dumb video, you're like,

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It's only another minute and a half.

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I can make it.

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And then like running to the bathroom.

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Whoa.

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Hoping to get in there in time.

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it wrong come on multitask take that shit in the bathroom

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There is that it's funny.

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So I was on a, I was in a big video conference, um, uh, with a tech leader and, uh, there
were like a hundred so much people and he's like, I want to encourage everyone to turn

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their cameras on everybody.

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Absolutely.

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I don't care if you're walking around the house.

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I don't care if you're getting coffee.

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I don't care.

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You know, he goes like, unless there's a legitimate reason to be off camera, that's to
have everyone's faces on here.

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And then he goes, there is an exception.

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He goes, cause I am an old man and, I have to pee.

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And sometimes I have to do that in the middle of a meeting.

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So I will, you know, put my face on, on nothing and mute the microphone, which, know, I'm
thinking of just changing that splash page and all of my conference call materials to I'm

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peeing as opposed to a picture of my face.

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Quite possibly peeing, you know, because, because that's real life, because that's how
things happen.

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And if we're going to have this entirely invasive world with cameras everywhere.

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fine.

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Let's we can we can show all of it or at least give the presence that there's something
there in that regard.

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And my God, I when I start thinking about how much time I have wasted um playing video
games, surfing through social media, I mean, watching TV, you know, what have I actually

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done with myself?

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What have I tweaked myself?

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What have I turned tune learned and refined?

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And I'll actually say, I don't think I've wasted all that time.

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I've used it to try to

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understand the world and where I fit in it and how those pieces work.

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But at the end of the day, it's not an 80 20.

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Like it's not 80 % positive, 20 % negative.

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At best, it's 1090 10 % positive 90 % shit.

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And really, it's probably 199.

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Because I see a lot of the same things over and over.

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And I'm like, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

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Oh, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

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there's a great, show that Robert Smigel did, the guy who made all the funny cartoons on
SNL back in like the late nineties, 2000s called TV fun house.

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And if you haven't seen it, it's available.

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Uh, it's on YouTube, totally worth watching, but he has this skit, um, called, the
immigrant, the baby and the guy in mushrooms.

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And it's basically these three people that walk around New York watching crazy things
happen.

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And they're all like, Oh, because it's the same reaction.

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It's the same mentality and it's the same shock of things coming in towards you.

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That's who we are.

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Like we're trying to get the factor over and over and over again.

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And the world's just not that exciting.

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Like be okay with that.

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be okay with the calm plasticity and the placid nature of the universe.

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Start reading philosophy, start going through and asking chat GPT, hey, how would Marcus
Aurelius handle this?

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What would Socrates think about this?

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How does Plato look at these different pieces and try to understand those things so you
can understand who you are and what it is you actually believe.

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Cause most of us have no idea what we actually believe and who we are.

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We just don't.

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And you're not going to find yourself by

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having cat videos thrown in your face all day or you know whatever the bro topics are I
could fight this guy for whatever blah blah blah blah watch me punch this thing like

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that's not doing any good and yeah

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It's even having this conversation is helping because I honestly believe that for most of
my life I don't know who I am.

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I don't know really what like I don't know what my interests are.

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There's things that I'll do that they're fun but like if I have to sit down and make a
list of like what are the things I like to do I get stuck.

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It's really hard and it's so hard to then escape that.

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Right.

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convincing you that they know who they are and they figured it out and with their three
step formula and their $6000 course you can learn too.

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I just.

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The longer I've been in this space and the longer I've been like following this stuff and
trying to learn from it, the more I'm convinced that nobody knows shit.

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And it really is an internal battle.

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And there are people that can sort of nudge you in the right way.

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many of them wrote books thousands of years ago.

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They aren't on YouTube selling you something, bro.

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ah But it's it's just it's.

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It's a lonely existence, right?

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It's a lonely place to try to figure out like, what am I supposed to do with this?

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What is the best use of my time?

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Even hearing you say like, uh you know, watching TV is a waste of time.

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Maybe, but maybe it's also sometimes the thing you needed to decompress and the thing you
needed to relax after a hard day or whatever.

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Could be your tool, yeah.

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ah

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War II bullshit documentaries as we happens when we get to a certain age.

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oh you know.

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But I mean, but I'm finding that even as I like, just honestly, I have not been taking the
best care of myself in the last few months.

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And I'm trying to like, look at this time of year as the kids go back to school.

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This is always a great time to reset routines and try and do things that I know worked for
me before.

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I literally got out my old pen and paper journal and started writing down like, what are
my three goals this week so that I can keep opening to that page every day or every time I

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feel lost and go.

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Right.

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That's the thing.

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Like come back to that.

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That's what you're supposed to be doing this week.

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Like just having those things that that you know even if it's not that you know you want
it but you know you want to try it.

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Having that thing that you can just constantly remind yourself yeah that's the thing I'm
trying right now.

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Do do something that pushes me in that direction not whatever the algorithm tells me is
you know potentially going to light up my you know dopamine in my brain and make me feel

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good.

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So.

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It's just it's the basics.

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mean, we talked about this on this show in its previous iteration forever, but it's like
get a little bit better sleep, write some shit down when you think about it.

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Try to not eat like complete crap and put the damn phone down like just try to.

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I don't know.

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I'm really talking to myself here and trying to trying to psych myself up, I think, a
little bit for the journey that I feel like I'm restarting from from kind of a bad place.

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But.

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I know a lot of that bad place is because I've slipped so much into just the easy,
brainless, simple solutions and I need to do better.

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And for me, part of that is starting with putting the phone down and just not being as
susceptible to it.

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So I want to do a little exercise with you Okay, and we're doing this live and thank God
we can edit shit um Do you believe you have a purpose in life?

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Hmm.

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I would I guess I'll put it this way.

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I probably do.

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I don't know that I know like.

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I don't know.

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It's a complex question.

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The purpose that I've given myself or the one that I that I hold on to the most is is
trying to raise good kids and try to be there for my kids.

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That's the like the driving force of my life.

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Yes, so you have given yourself a purpose

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Okay, did anyone tell you that life's supposed to have a purpose?

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Right Did any of them have that did any of them say that your purpose is to make sure that
you raise?

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other great little versions of yourself Yeah um

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If you were not able to have children, what would your purpose be?

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Who told you to do that?

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We have a lot of signals coming at us all the time telling us who we should be.

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telling us who we need to be.

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We evolved in a culture where human beings had a utility, a utilitarian nature in
everything that they did.

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Our tribes had to have certain things happen.

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know, men had to go get meat.

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Women had to go get vegetables and maintain things while they were around, you know, the
cave or the campfire, wherever they were.

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And we've evolved since then.

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We turned into hunters, we turned into farmers.

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uh

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people that manage livestock, we've created industrialization, all these pieces, but the
things that are still nascent in us is the need for us to have a purpose so that we're not

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rejected from the tribe.

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Because if you suddenly can't hunt and you are making things slow with nomadic people,
they're probably not going to carry you.

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You're probably going to get left behind and you're probably going to be alone and you'll
probably die or be eaten by a bear or

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whatever else is out there that has never gone away and it will never go away because it's
part of this back part of our brain that lizard part of our brain the limbic system that

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tries to keep us intact fighting that that urge that need that desire is not easy and the
people that make these tools know that and they focus on that and they try to trap you

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into believing those things I think everybody can probably use a

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heavy dose of philosophy, a heavy dose of self realization, but more importantly, a heavy
dose of the idea that everything that we're saying, everything that we're doing is all

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made up by other little monkeys just like us.

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Shit ain't fucking real.

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Like there's no, there's, there's no fundamental component to the universe that suddenly
collapses and disappears if humanity is completely and totally wiped

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out of existence.

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If we decide to annihilate ourselves in nuclear holocaust, the rest of won't give a fuck.

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Unless by chance, you know, all the funny cartoon sci-fi is right and they're using us as
entertainment while they watch us go through and struggle through our own reality.

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Right.

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mean, I guess that's a possibility.

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I'm not going to say that's not possible.

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But I doubt it.

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And more importantly, I don't fucking care.

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You know, if I'm the punchline of some alien asshole out there as they're watching this
stuff, trying to see these things and live vicariously through my pain and suffering, fuck

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those guys.

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More importantly, I don't have to be what anybody says I have to be.

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What I have to do is process oxygen into carbon dioxide until I can't and then I die.

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That's what I have to do.

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I don't have to do anything else.

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Not a bit.

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I don't have to hold my waist and my body so I can watch a more cat video.

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I can piss in the chair if I really want to.

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We make choices all the time as to the things that we're going to do and how we're going
to affect ourselves.

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Easy choices are just that.

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They're easy.

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But it's like anything else you're going to consume.

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It's really easy to go to McDonald's.

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and get a cheeseburger and french fries because it's right there.

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But it's probably not that healthy for you.

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And if you spend a little time and went to the store and bought yourself stuff to make a
salad, even if it's a taco salad, fine.

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Put something together, put some effort into it.

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And what you wind up getting out of it is a bit more.

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And just keep tweaking, tuning and refining your life to be that, to get what you actually
want.

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And look, man, I'm 50 years old.

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And I still don't know who I am.

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I still don't know what I want to be when I grew up.

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I changed jobs every like two to three years.

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I've switched entire industries at my core and my core being of, of who it is that, you I
want to be and who it is that I think I should be.

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I'm just like you.

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I want to be a great husband.

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I want to be a great father.

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I want to be kind to others.

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And I want to try to help people get through problems.

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But there's also a part of me that wants to be a punk rocker genet ex kid who smashes
people in the mouth and, you know, fight the authoritarian systems that are out there, try

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to outsmart people.

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Cause I've got an ego and I want to do these things, but these are all motivators.

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When you start to actually really examine them and actually be really self critical and
try to dive into those pieces.

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And I started asking myself, well, why the fuck do I want this?

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It's like, okay.

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So I mean, I've done years of talk therapy and I can go back there and I can go,

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I had this hyperinflated ego because as a kid I moved around way too much and the only way
that I could actually get respect and I get the shit kicked out of me was if I walked in

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and you know either picked a fight with the biggest guy out there which probably would be
punched in the face or if I became funny and smart and could try to outwit people.

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So I went with the latter for the most part and it worked and that didn't mean that I
didn't have to go and fight kids growing up because I did and it wasn't a pleasant

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experience to get the shit kicked out of me so

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Then I had to go and, you know, learn how to wrestle.

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had to learn how to play football and create this whole different piece of me.

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I'm not a thing.

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I'm not uh identity.

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I'm multiple pieces.

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I contain multitudes and I change over time and I grow and evolve and trying to become the
actualization of the person that I want to be and who I want to be moving forward is not

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easy.

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And it's constantly refining and it's constantly getting tuned.

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and I'm constantly updating these pieces.

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And I can make snap decisions.

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I can go, okay, I've just said a not this today, now this and stick on that path.

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And I can course correct and move and maneuver and shift and change.

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You're not gonna put me in a box that's effectively gonna contain who I am.

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The only guardrails on me aren't here.

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I choose to put those up and they don't always work.

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Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

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Sometimes they have different levels of effectiveness on me and they make me look at
things and get reflective and start moving backwards and thinking through these problems

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in different ways.

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If we let the media and the things that are around us influence us too heavily, we stop
trying to be who we are and we start trying to be who they tell us we should be.

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And you don't have to be that.

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And also, you don't have to feel bad when you don't fucking live up to their goals and
expectations.

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That's the biggest thing.

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The only person that you should really be trying to please is yourself.

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And you should also be really fucking forgiving with yourself.

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And you gotta be able to look at yourself, not as the adult that's running around trying
to make shit work, but when you look in the mirror, you gotta see that kid.

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You gotta see that kid that doesn't know where they're going.

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That's smiling, trying to make the best of situations, trying to learn, trying to discover
and trying to grow.

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Lean into that.

414
00:31:15,703 --> 00:31:20,426
Be young, have neuroplasticity, try things, break things.

415
00:31:20,426 --> 00:31:25,568
When you hurt people's feelings, say, I'm sorry, let me try to fix this to make this
better for you.

416
00:31:25,568 --> 00:31:29,540
When you do something great for somebody, don't walk around at waiting for a pat on the
back.

417
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:30,951
Just go, cool.

418
00:31:30,951 --> 00:31:33,092
Glad I could help and move on.

419
00:31:33,253 --> 00:31:38,455
It's this level of humbleness, humility, all these pieces that most of us are missing.

420
00:31:38,958 --> 00:31:45,199
because we sit around on little tiny devices saying, at me, look at me, look at me,
thinking that we need to be one of those also.

421
00:31:45,199 --> 00:31:48,019
You don't, you don't need to be that.

422
00:31:48,019 --> 00:31:54,359
As I'm saying this on a podcast, talking to myself, looking at myself on a reflection, I'm
telling you, you don't have to be that.

423
00:31:54,658 --> 00:31:55,659
You don't have to be us.

424
00:31:55,659 --> 00:31:56,599
You don't have to be anything.

425
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:57,679
You don't have to be a football player.

426
00:31:57,679 --> 00:31:58,539
You don't have to be president.

427
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:59,339
You don't have to be a cop.

428
00:31:59,339 --> 00:32:00,399
You don't have to be a lawyer.

429
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:01,959
You don't have to be a rock star.

430
00:32:01,959 --> 00:32:04,839
You don't have to be any of that.

431
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,471
Life is supposed to be about

432
00:32:06,471 --> 00:32:11,752
the journey and experiencing things and you don't get a whole lot of time on this dumb
little rock that we're on.

433
00:32:12,173 --> 00:32:15,534
So go out and experience things on your own.

434
00:32:15,534 --> 00:32:23,870
Touch things, smell things, listen to real things, not headphones plugged into your ears,
not virtual reality headsets.

435
00:32:24,171 --> 00:32:27,551
Life is a lot better than 4K.

436
00:32:29,232 --> 00:32:31,372
And you should go and experience that.

437
00:32:32,591 --> 00:32:35,334
It's funny that uh this is where our conversation ended up.

438
00:32:35,334 --> 00:32:46,356
My therapist is trying to get me to work with what she calls radical acceptance and
particularly with regard to, you know, the depression I've lived with my whole life.

439
00:32:46,517 --> 00:32:54,025
And she wants me to try to consider what if I could just accept that that is.

440
00:33:15,173 --> 00:33:17,273
Mm-hmm.

441
00:33:21,493 --> 00:33:22,385
Yeah.

442
00:33:22,533 --> 00:33:24,694
their guide or whatever I am to them.

443
00:33:24,694 --> 00:33:28,956
ah And so it's hard for me to accept that that is just a part of who I am.

444
00:33:28,956 --> 00:33:37,900
And I'm just going to have to live with it sometimes because when it comes up, I feel like
time to power through this again until it breaks me and it makes things worse.

445
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:47,884
And so it's it's I mean, I'm sure valuable, but it's hard to figure out like how do this
has been really the challenge of my life.

446
00:33:47,884 --> 00:33:49,795
How do I accept who I am?

447
00:33:50,487 --> 00:33:54,099
on any level, whether it's the best version of me, the worst version of me.

448
00:33:55,381 --> 00:34:02,826
I've been going to social events a lot more in this last month than I have in a long time.

449
00:34:02,867 --> 00:34:09,622
And I'm trying to practice that radical acceptance of like, I don't have to be the
funniest guy in the room.

450
00:34:09,622 --> 00:34:11,023
I don't have to have a one-liner.

451
00:34:11,023 --> 00:34:14,575
I can sit here and fucking be quiet and just enjoy the show.

452
00:34:14,575 --> 00:34:16,857
don't have to be anyone else.

453
00:34:17,026 --> 00:34:19,207
And there's a certain amount of stress that comes with that.

454
00:34:19,207 --> 00:34:23,219
But there's a ton of relief that comes with it because I'm trying like I like moment to
moment.

455
00:34:23,219 --> 00:34:26,431
I'm telling myself you don't have to say anything.

456
00:34:26,431 --> 00:34:29,973
You don't have to be anything other than just in the room right now.

457
00:34:29,973 --> 00:34:31,094
And you don't even have to be that.

458
00:34:31,094 --> 00:34:34,395
But like that's that's where you are.

459
00:34:34,796 --> 00:34:40,299
And it's hard man because I mean in some way I've always been surrounded by big egos.

460
00:34:40,299 --> 00:34:43,180
I've been surrounded by people that feel like.

461
00:34:44,621 --> 00:34:48,744
I've been surrounded by people that feel like they need to perform and win people over.

462
00:34:48,744 --> 00:34:52,847
so socially, I adopt that and go, that's what I'm supposed to do.

463
00:34:52,847 --> 00:34:54,248
That's what other people do.

464
00:34:54,248 --> 00:34:56,069
That's what I'm supposed to do, too.

465
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:58,541
And I'm trying to get to a point where I'm like, maybe I don't.

466
00:34:58,541 --> 00:35:06,716
mean, even though just being being transparent here and going way along with this episode,
walking over here today, I was like, fuck, I've got to go perform.

467
00:35:06,716 --> 00:35:09,919
I've got to go record something that hopefully entertains somebody.

468
00:35:09,919 --> 00:35:12,700
And part of me went, you don't have to.

469
00:35:12,861 --> 00:35:14,041
You could you.

470
00:35:21,105 --> 00:35:22,605
Yeah.

471
00:35:22,605 --> 00:35:24,348
Yeah.

472
00:35:24,348 --> 00:35:32,052
So like it's hard for me in those places to remember I'm going to feel good when I'm done
and that's enough.

473
00:35:32,553 --> 00:35:36,136
Even if nobody not one person ever hears this.

474
00:35:36,136 --> 00:35:38,947
I feel better now than I did an hour ago.

475
00:35:39,213 --> 00:35:41,262
Is that reason enough to keep doing this?

476
00:35:41,262 --> 00:35:45,166
And for the last 20 years of my life, the answer has been yes.

477
00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:48,992
I'm gonna do a very simple example.

478
00:35:48,992 --> 00:35:52,724
So for those of you watching this, this will make a lot of sense.

479
00:35:52,845 --> 00:35:55,866
I am holding in my hand a multi-tool.

480
00:35:56,467 --> 00:35:58,768
This multi-tool contains

481
00:35:59,201 --> 00:36:01,461
Magnitudes, different things.

482
00:36:01,722 --> 00:36:05,962
can just like this, I can use it to like hammer nails in.

483
00:36:05,962 --> 00:36:07,633
I can go this way to drop things in.

484
00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:13,385
I can put it in my hand and it makes my hand like I'm holding, you know, a roll of
quarters in there.

485
00:36:13,765 --> 00:36:15,465
I can also open it up.

486
00:36:16,446 --> 00:36:19,387
I can use these little plier things to do different things.

487
00:36:19,387 --> 00:36:23,468
I can use these little knifey things to do different things.

488
00:36:23,468 --> 00:36:28,589
Screwdrivers, uh multiple different blades, files.

489
00:36:28,709 --> 00:36:37,213
uh a little tiny saw, um little tiny little tie blade here for I don't know, pulling my
nails apart.

490
00:36:37,213 --> 00:36:45,136
Like there's all these different things that beer bottle opener, I can take these things,
twist them, turn them and use them in all kinds of different ways.

491
00:36:46,637 --> 00:36:52,059
You're this and then some you what we are all one of these.

492
00:36:52,059 --> 00:36:56,280
We have multiple different ways to assign purpose and value.

493
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,901
But ultimately speaking,

494
00:36:58,114 --> 00:37:03,167
These are tools and you can twist them and turn them and use them to your advantage.

495
00:37:03,468 --> 00:37:05,329
Yes, you have anxiety.

496
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:07,131
Yes, you have depression.

497
00:37:07,131 --> 00:37:09,352
Yes, so do I.

498
00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:21,822
We all have those things and it's as much as we don't as much as people try to, you know,
depression brag these days and anxiety brag these days and talk about how bad their shit

499
00:37:21,822 --> 00:37:22,562
is.

500
00:37:23,043 --> 00:37:24,683
Yeah, we all have that.

501
00:37:24,724 --> 00:37:26,425
That's that's who all of us are.

502
00:37:26,425 --> 00:37:27,345
That's what we are.

503
00:37:27,345 --> 00:37:31,767
We have these same chemicals, but it's not all you are.

504
00:37:31,907 --> 00:37:35,928
You're all these other things and you can use them for great purposes.

505
00:37:36,168 --> 00:37:38,389
Depression and anxiety is fantastic.

506
00:37:38,389 --> 00:37:45,772
The reason why we have anxiety is to make sure that we get up and do the things that we
need to do so the Saber II Tiger doesn't fuck and eat us.

507
00:37:45,772 --> 00:37:48,753
Like there's a biological reason why this happened.

508
00:37:48,813 --> 00:37:49,689
Depression.

509
00:37:49,689 --> 00:37:56,982
Yeah, depression definitely happens because that's the thing that people want to try to
run from when you're talking about difficult social situations because it's to be a

510
00:37:56,982 --> 00:38:02,454
reminder marker, you know, to not let certain things happen so you don't get sad.

511
00:38:03,115 --> 00:38:05,776
It's okay to be anxious.

512
00:38:05,776 --> 00:38:08,137
It's okay to have depression.

513
00:38:08,137 --> 00:38:09,778
It's okay to have joy.

514
00:38:09,778 --> 00:38:11,169
It's okay to have shame.

515
00:38:11,169 --> 00:38:12,369
It's okay to have guilt.

516
00:38:12,369 --> 00:38:16,931
It's okay to have all of these things because you contain multitudes.

517
00:38:17,049 --> 00:38:19,830
and you can tune those things and you can tweak them to your advantage.

518
00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:21,851
And sometimes they're gonna be overwhelming.

519
00:38:21,851 --> 00:38:30,195
And sometimes you're just gonna need to go sit in a box and go, I gotta give myself a
little bit of a timeout so I don't fucking murder everybody around me.

520
00:38:30,195 --> 00:38:32,816
Like, that happens.

521
00:38:35,597 --> 00:38:39,159
Oddly enough, me too.

522
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:40,149
Bury another body.

523
00:38:40,149 --> 00:38:40,909
Yeah.

524
00:38:40,909 --> 00:38:44,115
No, I meant just to put myself in timeout.

525
00:38:44,377 --> 00:38:45,339
No murders planned.

526
00:38:45,339 --> 00:38:47,577
Just putting myself in timeout this afternoon.

527
00:38:47,577 --> 00:38:52,098
so none plan just happened dynamically at at at at Hawk at Hawk.

528
00:38:52,098 --> 00:38:52,309
Yes.

529
00:38:52,309 --> 00:38:52,479
Yes.

530
00:38:52,479 --> 00:38:53,499
I totally get that.

531
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:54,669
No, but that's kind of my point.

532
00:38:54,669 --> 00:38:55,459
Like.

533
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:05,442
You're not going to schedule your life like this, like there are things you can do, events
you can plan, but when you show up, you show up as you and whatever state you are and that

534
00:39:05,442 --> 00:39:13,364
state might be this that state might be this that state might be fucking.

535
00:39:13,364 --> 00:39:15,991
This, you know, yeah.

536
00:39:15,991 --> 00:39:18,041
as I'm playing with my tool.

537
00:39:19,382 --> 00:39:23,293
But the point is, is that you can be anything at any given point in time.

538
00:39:23,293 --> 00:39:24,734
You contain multitudes.

539
00:39:24,734 --> 00:39:30,186
You contain things inside of you that other people can or can't see and that you probably
can't see.

540
00:39:30,186 --> 00:39:33,216
And you get to decide which piece you bring to any given point in time.

541
00:39:33,216 --> 00:39:41,593
Now, I'm not suggesting that, you know, when your kids aren't feeling well or they're hurt
and you're anxious and depressed, that you go hold up in the corner and don't do things.

542
00:39:41,593 --> 00:39:46,354
That would be antithetical to the person that you are and the individual that you want to
be in against your goals.

543
00:39:46,354 --> 00:40:01,118
And like I said, sometimes the only way out is through that applies here also, but also
sometimes you got a hole up and you got to recover and you got to regroup and you got to,

544
00:40:01,238 --> 00:40:07,100
you got to recuperate uh from the different things that have been thrown at you.

545
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:11,523
And that means going back through and planning and finding a new way back through that.

546
00:40:11,523 --> 00:40:18,035
because it's a puzzle and not all the pieces are easy to understand.

547
00:40:18,035 --> 00:40:20,716
You don't have all the edges available for you.

548
00:40:20,796 --> 00:40:26,318
And sometimes when you put the pieces in place, the message that it spells out is go eat a
dick.

549
00:40:26,318 --> 00:40:29,739
You just have to accept that that's what the world is sometimes.

550
00:40:29,739 --> 00:40:31,579
Like it's not fun, it's not great.

551
00:40:31,579 --> 00:40:35,280
you just kind of keep playing the game.

552
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,288
But the only person you're really competing with is yourself.

553
00:40:38,288 --> 00:40:39,009
Yep.

554
00:40:39,009 --> 00:40:48,895
with others and you're just competing with your own ego to see if you can actually see the
world for what it actually is, as opposed to bullshit myopic glasses that we wear all the

555
00:40:48,895 --> 00:40:49,135
time.

556
00:40:49,135 --> 00:40:55,218
We try to interpret society through somebody else's lenses because that's what we do when
you're on social media all the time.

557
00:40:55,218 --> 00:40:57,740
You're not looking at the world through your eyes.

558
00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:00,121
You're looking at it through somebody else's.

559
00:41:00,321 --> 00:41:05,064
And these motherfuckers have dollar sign cataracts written all over it.

560
00:41:05,064 --> 00:41:07,749
And they are blocking you from being able to see the rest of the

561
00:41:07,749 --> 00:41:09,310
So fuck those guys.

562
00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:11,332
Don't be who they want you to be.

563
00:41:11,332 --> 00:41:12,472
Be who you want to be.

564
00:41:12,472 --> 00:41:15,735
Be weird, be different, be more.

565
00:41:15,735 --> 00:41:17,216
Be your multitudes.

566
00:41:17,216 --> 00:41:19,337
And do it every fucking day.

567
00:41:19,457 --> 00:41:26,122
Except for days where you don't want to and sunbeam's laying around on the couch and don't
do a goddamn thing and eat a box of bonbons and watch TV and snooze scroll as much as you

568
00:41:26,122 --> 00:41:26,342
want.

569
00:41:26,342 --> 00:41:33,086
But then come back to the fact that you get to make these choices and you get to be what
you want to be.

570
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:35,890
I got nothing else.

571
00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:37,820
That's a perfect way to end this episode.

572
00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:39,662
I think we'll leave it there.

573
00:41:39,842 --> 00:41:41,343
So thank you for the free therapy.

574
00:41:41,343 --> 00:41:42,794
I'll send me your invoice.

575
00:41:42,794 --> 00:41:45,660
I'll get that taken care of.

576
00:41:46,265 --> 00:41:46,736
That's right.

577
00:41:46,736 --> 00:41:47,726
That's right.

578
00:41:49,327 --> 00:41:49,647
All right.

579
00:41:49,647 --> 00:41:51,018
Well, hopefully this has been helpful for you.

580
00:41:51,018 --> 00:41:52,258
It has been very helpful for me.

581
00:41:52,258 --> 00:41:56,590
If you if it has share it with somebody, you can find links to do that at BroBots.me.

582
00:41:56,590 --> 00:41:59,312
That's where we'll be back in about a week with another episode.

583
00:41:59,312 --> 00:42:00,800
Thanks so much for listening.

584
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,560
Bye.