Can an AI Tool Actually Break Your Doom Scrolling Habit?

Jeremy Grater: Hi, this is Brobots, the podcast that tries to help you be a better person by being smarter about how you use your technology. I don't know if this new tool that everybody's so excited about is actually going to do anybody any good. I can see ⁓ some random use cases, but for the most part, this new idea, this new concept, ⁓ no-scroll, is a tool that is designed to basically scroll your social media feed for you and only text you when something interesting pops up. Now We've made a big deal about, you know, the AI robots coming to destroy us all and take over life as we know it. I'm now more worried about our our own laziness being the thing that takes us out. Like scrolling there there's nothing productive about scrolling. I think that is a a s very small percentage of people that do it that are doing it to actively seek out information. Most of us are doing it because we're trying to escape all the shit we're supposed to be doing. Do we really need a bot to do the thing that we really shouldn't be doing anyways? Why did why is this tool necessary?

Jason Haworth: Well, it's the Doom Scrolling problem, right? Like you st Twitter's a great example. So if you've ever been on Twitter, ⁓ in the last, I don't know, well, since Musk bought it. ⁓ it is a cesspool of shit. And but but like every other cesspool of shit, there might be a few nuggets of gold in there or something in there that's actually worth fishing out of the poo pile. And and no scroll lets you do that.

Jeremy Grater: Right.

Jason Haworth: Right? Like it goes through and it sorts through all the things where it's like, yeah, you don't care about this racist diatribe. You don't care about this misogyny bro culture shit. ⁓ what you care about are these things. And then it tries to create curated content for you in a way that's actually of value to you. And this is cool. Like this is good for somebody. Like it it takes away the psychological problem of.

Jeremy Grater: Yes.

Jason Haworth: Of being in a social media platform of ⁓ unrelenting, disgusting versions of people's streams of fuck consciousness. And I don't wanna hear that. Like I it it's it doesn't benefit me. So yeah, make this shit better.

Jeremy Grater: Right. But I mean, aren't there other ways to get news than Twitter? Like to me, if the thing is ninety eight percent crap and two percent of the are the nuggets that I'm actually interested in, they're probably linked to other sources, like actual news sources that have been vetted by journalists with credentials and the ability to do so. To me, and I'm I'm saying this to me too, because I I scroll as much as the next idiot. I don't need like ⁓ the analogy I was trying to think of for this. Like if I'm an alcoholic and I'm like, this is really bad for me, I gotta stop drinking. I know I'm gonna pay a robot ten bucks a month to drink all the booze, but only tell me when the drinks are really good. Like that's that's kind of the analogy for me with this. Like it just seems like this is a bad thing that we shouldn't be doing anyways. Why not just not do it and get your information from you know, relatively credible sources?

Jason Haworth: Well, I think the reason why is because Twitter is a signal feed that people have come to rely on because so many businesses and so many other people put their stuff up there. And people use it for the short burst message platforms and they add more characters, they can get these pieces, but now there's video on there. Like it's like anything else, right? But I mean it it's one of those things where it

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth: If you're really looking at what it is you can get out of something like this, it's another dopamine hit. So people don't want to give that up. And but they but they know it's bad for them. So I mean, this is like like methadone. Like you're weaning yourself off of heroin with methadone to try to make these things slightly better. Right. It's a nicotine patch as you're trying to get things as you're trying to make your life better. But a lot of people never get off of methadone. And a lot of people never get off the nicotine patch.

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. This is the nicotine patch. It's the nicotine patch.

Jason Haworth: I mean, that's just the reality. And

Jeremy Grater: Right. They just start vaping and go, ⁓ that's better. I'm I'm vaping now, I'm not smoking. That's better.

Jason Haworth: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So like no scroll supports Instagram and Facebook and TikTok and Snap and and like it it supports all these pieces. And and Twitter's just like the most worst extreme example because if you're if you're in an industry where you're required to have handles and post stuff up there because that's become part of the actual ecosystem and and space of how people try to orient themselves, you don't really get a choice. But

Jeremy Grater: Yeah.

Jason Haworth: If you're a person and you don't want to go through all the reels inside of Facebook and you'd rather have these things sorted out because you don't want to look at all the ads for boner pills and and hair extensions, like, okay, great. I would love something to do that because going like this with my thumb one extra time, like, yeah, my thumb's gonna get tired, man. Like ⁓ my thumb is just it it's gonna stop working. Right.

Jeremy Grater: Yeah. It's way too much work. But that's the thing. Like, as much as I could tell myself, I better check and see what I'm missing out on, I'm not missing out on anything on on any of these platforms. Like, it is rare that there's something I'm like, wow, my life is improved having this information. So I

Jason Haworth: That's because you have fucked up your algorithm.

Jeremy Grater: Well yeah, 'cause I'm an idiot. That's I mean, we've established that, so that's

Jason Haworth: My algorithm is full of cat videos, red pandas, ⁓ every now and again, ⁓ like roller coaster feeds. Well, boner pills are that's that's the main advertisement. The boner pills and and hair hair hair hair pills or hair whatever. Yeah, I I'm testosterone. Apparently I'm super low on testosterone, which they're probably not wrong. But I I

Jeremy Grater: That's a that's a given. Yeah. Yeah. Evidently You are a man of a certain age, so

Jason Haworth: Exactly. Like that's just part of the natural progression of age. but but there is things on there that are entertaining. And we've we've traded one screen for another. We've traded, you know, content that's broadcast across three different channels. You know, then it became cable. We can get more specific on it, and now you can unicast and and you know, stream things on demand as you want to see them.

Jeremy Grater: That's true. Yeah, exactly.

Jason Haworth: And now it's not just that you're streaming things that are on demand, it's go here, look at this, and we're gonna give you what we think you wanna see. And we're gonna sprinkle in some other shit as

Jeremy Grater: Well, and and that other shit and the boner pills are ⁓ great examples of something I just read about the other day called the inshidification of in this context, anything on the internet. And and Facebook is kind of the prime example in this book I was reading, where it came out and it was like, Wow, what an incredible tool. I can connect with current friends, past friends, know what's going on with each other's lives. I don't have to get on phone calls, I don't have to meet up with people, I can I can be caught up and know what's going on. Slowly over time, as everyone brought in all their friends, everyone got Connected, they went, hey, what if we made it harder for people to find the stuff they want and put a bunch of ads in between? And all of a sudden now it's kind of an annoyance, but I can still do the things. Now then all of a sudden your feed is populated with a bunch of random stuff that you might be interested in. And of course, ads from businesses and and feeds from businesses who are now paying for prime ⁓ prime time in front of your eyeballs. So this is all sort of the ⁓ the built-in process that apparently is repeated over and over again throughout technology. And as I was reading this, I immediately thought, are we already seeing this with AI? I mean, because there's already talk about ChatGPT putting ads into the actual responses and the content that you get back and the way that that's built. ⁓ Anthropic is saying they're not doing that yet, but time will tell. But so this this may be our final hope when it comes to AI not taking over the world is have they designed it and are they following the same path of making it. So shitty and unusable that we'll all give up on it and it won't pose the threat we think it does.

Jason Haworth: Well, okay kids, come on, let's go with Papa John's internet history time now. So line back up because I'm gonna take you through a fucking Oregon trail version, historical version of how the internet actually came to be.

Jeremy Grater: Am I gonna get typhoid on this journey?

Jason Haworth: You're definitely gonna get typhoid on this journey. Or or dysentery. Or both. Either way. Either way. So when the internet started as a series of tubes way back in the day, ⁓ when they were trying to figure out how to make communication survive nuclear blasts, like when the Rand Corporation built it, they they never thought it was gonna be used for cat videos and boner pills and maybe porn, but like maybe they did think of that.

Jeremy Grater: Or doesn't turn. I'm sure they thought it was gonna be used for porn.

Jason Haworth: Fingers crossed. ⁓ but they got it to the point, you know, in the nineties where it's like, ⁓ we can start seeing images now in a realistic way and start understanding these things and and seeing stuff. And the the first aggregator of actual content to get people online was AOL, America Online. And people would get the fucking CD of the internet and like, ⁓ I had the internet the internet's on CD now. This is amazing. They'd plug that little guy in, they'd go through, they'd wire you up here, they're

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth: Sound until you got connected. And then once you were in, right, once you're in, you got that you got mail science sound, you know, and ⁓ this is great. Well, that wasn't the internet. What that is, is something going out to the internet, pulling stuff in so that you can see a collect set of curated information that is easily accessible for you. That is where we're at.

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth: We're still not using the internet. So what's happened is we've created this whole series of walled gardens. Places where you operate and where you get information from a certain perspective. So most people when they want to find something, they go to a search engine, such as the Google. And the Google goes, Here is some stuff that I have decided that it that meets your search criteria. And by the way, up top are people that paid us extra money for you to see this shit. Hmm. Walled Garden.

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Which by the way, Google even altered their business model as they went along by in initially showing you exactly what you were looking for. And then ultimately went, you know, if we make it harder to find, this shit gets buried on page two and three. That's more ads we can show people as they go as they scroll through our page.

Jason Haworth: Yes. Yeah, and then they went and bought a company called DoubleClick so they can monetize all these things into advertising revenue. Makes sense. And they bought YouTube for the same kind of reason. YouTube, another walled garden. Facebook, another walled garden. The real internet is a lot seedier and scarier than most people realize because it's unfiltered. And like the dark web is like probably the best representation of the internet. And you can go and download multiple different browser types out there that let you actually search the dark web again.

Jeremy Grater: Right.

Jason Haworth: It's another walled garden, but you're actually getting access to the stuff that's actually out there. So now we're in the AI era. And the AI era is going through and scouring the internet to look for things and trying to index sites and trying to make sense of them and using all these bots and automation systems to try to be able to understand these things to the right context. And these AI systems went, We're gonna take a bunch of startup capital and let people start using these tools and get them hooked on it like it's crack.

Jeremy Grater: Yeah.

Jason Haworth: And then once we get to the point where everybody actually becomes reliant on this, then we're gonna start charging exorbitant fees for it. So they've started doing this, and you've got a couple of these LLM vendors out there right now that are trying to go public. So they've released new models, and some of these new models are terrifying, like Mythos, the one that Anthropic is building out. But also the the the chat build four dot seven for Claude, ⁓ completely and totally changed the way that code got built. And it made it much dumber and much less ⁓ effective at doing the cool shit because it was faster and it used less tokens and resources to produce the result that people were looking for. Where before, like the 4.6, it would go, hey, I'm gonna try these things because they kind of make sense in this context. And I'm gonna try to give you all the pertinent edges around this so it can actually ⁓ give you all the information that you need. To do the thing that you need to do. Where in 4.7, it's like, no, I'm going to give you exactly what you asked for. And this is the insutification of the internet. This is the let's make this dumber and faster so it costs us less money and puts more of a burden back on the user, which is exactly what Facebook did. They went, Well, we're going to make this easier to use. But we're gonna make there be pop-up ads and fucking in-between screens and we're gonna, you know, have interstitial advertising dropped in all throughout the site. And it just makes it a less of an experience. And I I would actually pay extra money every year to have an ad free version of Facebook. I would pay extra money to have an ad free version of Google. I I would pay extra money to do all these things. But the reality is is these companies don't want to set up something. Because then that changes the model, turns them into exclusivity, then they have to go through and they have to manage those pieces. And then they're also going to have to meet certain service level agreements when you have a paid for site. And if they don't have a s ⁓ if it's not paid for and it's best effort and you get what you get and you don't throw a fit, well fuck off. You don't want to use my platform anymore. Go find so go find some other way to get your cat videos and boner pills. Exactly. Yeah, or what was the spheres, Google Spheres, like way back in the day.

Jeremy Grater: Right. Go log into Google Plus, dummy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jason Haworth: Yeah. So I mean, like this is this is what you're dealing with. You're dealing with the reality that the internet itself is a nasty, gross, seedy place. So to make it not so nasty, gross, and seedy, companies have come in put right nice pretty bow wrappers around it to make it easier to navigate. And now that they're doing advertising, they're curating the content so they can maximize the advertising revenue off of your eyeballs. And, you know, getting kicked in the eyeballs is actually more painful than getting kicked in the actual balls by one of these companies, whether you know it or not. ⁓ Because the r the truth of the matter is is that you are the product. Like you're the thing that's being sold to the advertisers. It's not the other way around. So

Jeremy Grater: We're not only the product, we're suckers. Like we do this over and over again. Every time a new tool comes out, it's the new shiny one. I'm gonna log in. I'm gonna get all my friends to join. Most of them don't because they, you know, some of them are smart enough to not fall for the same tricks over and over again. But like I I d I do the same thing. A new toy comes out. I'm like, ⁓ maybe this is the one I need to be a part of. Maybe I need to be a part of this thing. And over and over again, like it starts kind of cool, gets kind of shitty, gets super shitty, and then I feel like I have to stay there.

Jason Haworth: Yes, of course we do.

Jeremy Grater: I mean I I still have social media accounts that I don't ever even look at and and I should just close because I'm not gonna use them, but I feel like, well, but what if one day I need to email that person I met that one time in twenty eleven that's I'm I'm connected to on threads or whatever like

Jason Haworth: You can close your MySpace account, I promise. It's it's okay. Yes.

Jeremy Grater: Can I? Finally, is it time? What was the other one? What was the ⁓ that was that blog one? ⁓ Friendster. What about Friendster? Is that one? Can I can I close that one now?

Jason Haworth: ⁓ yeah, friend stir. Shit, dude. I started a social media a long form social media company on my own just to see where it would go. And as it turns out, nobody wants to read long stories about personal history that is actually heartwarming and kind because there's not enough shitty things going on inside of it. It turns out people are like, here's my life story and here's all the neat things behind it. And if you can't give me the ability to comment on that, I don't care. Like

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. Right. I need to be able to tell you how shitty this is.

Jason Haworth: Right. Like the the reality is just the these social media companies have tapped into the psychology of what it is that makes us want to do these things. And and that has been exploited over and over and over again, as do these app companies, as do these AI companies. And these AI companies, they're collecting and building profiles on you based upon everything that you've put in. And they're gonna use that to get even more targeted with you. So your your cheat plans, there there there will be a EULA change that says

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth: Anything after this date that you give to us, we can sell to third party data vendors. ⁓ and by the way, by clicking on this agreement, anything that we've collected on you in the past, we can do the same thing as well. Because probably because the only company, the only or the only countries that are actually enforcing anything like that is the EU. And and their GDPR actually requires that. California's privacy requirements are kind of there. Canada has a little bit of their. ⁓ but the the data privacy laws aren't.

Jeremy Grater: I'm sure we've already clicked that. Mm-hmm. Kinda.

Jason Haworth: great and they're not actually there to protect consumers. They're actually most of them are there to maximize profits or corporations.

Jeremy Grater: Yeah. ⁓ to to bring this full circle back to no scroll, I think we're gonna see and we're already seeing an interesting shift in how content now has to be geared toward the other AI tools that are going to be scraping for it. It's no longer, I think, going to be as emotion driven because the emotion will likely be stripped out of these things. It's gonna tell I'm I'm gonna tell Claude go find me all of the AI news that I might find interesting or relevant to talk about on my podcast this week. And it's gonna blow through everything else, but all the the tools that are create creating that content are gonna know there are people looking for this kind of content. So look for the you know, stack these keywords into this so that it populates that rather than trying to, you know, get the rage bait and the racism and all the things that work today.

Jason Haworth: Yeah. I mean that that yeah, you're right. Like it's it's gonna go through and

Jeremy Grater: So the internet's gonna get really boring. Like everything we're doing now, as much as boring as it is, it's gonna get even more boring.

Jason Haworth: And and but but we're not gonna stop watching it because it it is and it you still get that dopamine hit. Like it's still that ⁓ I saw this little tiny thing, yay, I'm happy for eight seconds. Like

Jeremy Grater: Nope. It's too easy. Yeah. Yeah. Well and it's that and like, well I should do the laundry, but I can do this instead. So

Jason Haworth: Right. It's a great distraction tool. Right, right, which which I get. Like I I need distractions also. Like I need things to look at and stare at at the with a blank face and just, you know, let things feed my interests for a period of time so I can disconnect from the world and not have to think about all the shit that I have to do or all the problems in this space. It's just nice to like not to to ha to zone out and have something feed me and

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. Zone out. I think for a lot of us it has replaced it it has replaced TV. Like I can't remember the last time. Like I I like now to me, television is appointment viewing. Like there's a thing I know that I'm gonna carve out time to sit and watch, where before the internet you would come home and just turn on the TV and s and scroll through the channels until something had that same emotional trigger in you and you would just watch that. I think it's the same thing, it's just more convenient and I can do it on the bus at home, anywhere I want to to just tune out from the world, which is ironic because like the whole point of it I think was to like help us be more connected and more plugged in. And now we're using it to escape reality and and dive into that.

Jason Haworth: Well, I don't know about your house, but in my house, when the TV goes on, people don't put their phones down. They continue to interact with their phone while the T V is on. So, you know, I am constantly having to update people in my home when they're like, What just happened? ⁓ were you not watching? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No. Okay.

Jeremy Grater: No, no. It's wild. A lot of the content on Netflix, ⁓ I I've read about this, is is being designed to basically recap every few minutes because they are aware that people are not paying attention. So especially if it's a live event, but but really any show, they're starting to sort of recap every few minutes because they know you're not paying attention to this and maybe we can hook you to stick around a little bit longer with a with a reminder.

Jason Haworth: Like a reality show, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like so you don't lose the thread. I I mean, cause 'cause yeah, attention spans, I don't know that they can shrink any more than they already have. I mean, I think that's the reality. But I also don't think that people in general are ⁓ are are are gonna get better about putting their phones down because it's a really, really great psychological trigger to go through and have something go ⁓

Jeremy Grater: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth: Bing, check me out. Or like flip through this video to see this thing that might actually be funny. Because it's it's the reward factor, right? Like, ⁓ I found something fun and I'm gonna share it. And like I'm gonna share with my friend group, or I'm gonna share with the neighborhood, I'm gonna share with the family. And th those are things that are actually fun. And I like them. I know they're not good for me, but it's it's a mental cookie. Like it

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just like this podcast, it's a mental cookie.

Jason Haworth: It is. I mean, it's a mental cookie. Yes. Yes. By the way, we're probably all gluten intolerant, allergic to chocolate, and allergic to nuts, but we're gonna keep eating this fucking chocolate walnut cookie until it does kill us. Exactly. Exactly. But hey man, like it's relatively harmless. This this no scroll thing is neat because if it can start actually curating content so you're not getting all the vitriol, that's great.

Jeremy Grater: More nightshades for me, please. ⁓

Jason Haworth: Like there should be this sitting setting inside of all social media. Like these are the things that interest me and don't pollute me with this other bullshit. And there is a function inside of Facebook where you can put most relevant in terms of the comments as you're looking through the comments. And I've played with this a few times to see, all right, is it giving me comments that are actually relevant to me that I like and enjoy, or is it giving me comments that it thinks are gonna attract my attention?

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth: And I've seen it do both. So even they're playing with it. Like even they're not sure what they're trying to do. And and I think I think that's a big part of what's missing is that we assume these social media companies and that these tech companies actually know what they're doing. And they don't. I mean they really, really don't. And if you think they do, it's because ⁓ you're not trying very hard.

Jeremy Grater: Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Haworth: ⁓ to to actually scrutinize them because it's really obvious that they they don't have a fucking clue about the vast majority of shit that's there and they just think they can go out and use the Google to figure it out and we'll buy into it. Like WebMD is a fantastic example of this. People go search WebMD and they're like, ⁓ I found these things. I I must have

Jeremy Grater: Right.

Jason Haworth: Fucking Parkinson's or ⁓ I I I woke up today and I sneezed really hard. I must have nose cancer. Like, no, dude, you don't have nose cancer. It why don't you go get checked out? But because we have this like self-service society where we think we can go through and do these things, we start relying on these tools to be an avatar for things that we think are actually good. And don't get me wrong, there are plenty of cases out there where people have used AI tools to go through and try to put punch in Their medical problems and try to make those pieces figure out what's going on with their actual life to try to make it shit changes and adjustments. Yes, there are success stories. There are also failure stories. And like anything else, you're going to have some successes and some failures. You want to get more on the success side than the failure side. But as the inshidification continues, it's not like the product's gonna get better. Like it's probably gonna get worse. It's probably gonna get yes less useful until something else comes along and they're like, try this instead. And then you'll try that and then you'll hop over there. But Facebook has a lot of fucking staying power. And I don't know about you, but like

Jeremy Grater: Yeah.

Jason Haworth: I don't really look at it much these days anymore than to go through and flip through silly reels. And there's a couple of people that I follow. I I open those things up and I look at them because they post funny memes. Other than that, like I don't sit on that thing for hours on end anymore, but it's still there. And they make their money because I use them for SSO, for single sign-on for like a dozen other apps. And and they've got

Jeremy Grater: Yep. Mm-hmm. Right.

Jason Haworth: Pixels all over everything that I look at on the internet because they're tracking my cookie data to make the advertisements more effective. So that way when I, you know, click across on a certain site, I can get a boner pill ad that's much more effective and targeted towards me because they know that I was looking at blue sheets. So they're gonna put blue sheets on the bed that sits behind the advertisement. Like it's this level of silliness that's occurring, and they're spending lots of extra money on it. And and you're we're running into

Jeremy Grater: Yeah.

Jason Haworth: Major resource problems with AI, and that's that the business model does not support a publicly traded company. And these companies are trying to make themselves publicly traded because they have huge amounts of value, but they're gonna have to lower their operational costs because there's all kinds of people out there using AI twenty four seven three sixty five, and they did not anticipate that people would be using it this way, which again points to the fact that these guys have no fucking idea what they're doing.

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. Well, they know what we want. They know they know that we want to do less and have robots do more so that we can do less of the things. And apparently even scrolling for our own escape mechanism.

Jason Haworth: Right. Well, and it and it would be great if like the productivity level like companies was like shooting through the roof because you were using all these AI tools, but they're not. They're at they're flat if not down.

Jeremy Grater: But and that's that's curious to me because I was thinking about this the other day and how much I'm using it to be more efficient in my job. I could not I could not compete with me today a year ago. Like the the tools that I have now in place, like I I think about like as this gets shittier and as this gets stripped away or we lose access to it, ⁓ my god, the pace at which I would have to work would be intolerable. Like for myself I would be going crazy with how much I could not do because of what I can now do.

Jason Haworth: Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Grater: By telling my computer audibly, do this thing. And then it does this thing. And all of a sudden, a hundred people get an email that's customized for them in their particular situation. Like the the time that I've saved, it's it's bet it's staggering to me that companies aren't more effective because I'm more effective as an as an employee. So I'm I'm sure there's plenty of research that I'm just not familiar with that that ⁓ shows that, but that's been my experience.

Jason Haworth: So it a lot of it comes down to I have saved time. What am I gonna do with my free time? And most people aren't gonna do more work. They're gonna fucking doom scroll and they're gonna watch TV and they're gonna fuck off. And they're they're not gonna they're they're not suddenly gonna go, I saved two hours on this project. So now I'm gonna pick up another project to do. That's not gonna happen. Like

Jeremy Grater: Mm-hmm. More work, right. Right, right.

Jason Haworth: The productivity level will probably remain about the same. And they'll just have a couple of extra free hours to catch their breath. And if they work for a company that's like, well, no, like your workload is going to go up by 20% as a result of this, a lot of those people are like, Well, fuck that. I'm gonna go work somewhere else then. So, I mean, and you know, you know, you've got meta right now laying off ten percent of their staff because they're gonna make this whole switch to AI thinking AI is gonna handle all these pieces, which they might be right. But

Jeremy Grater: Yeah. Yeah. And

Jason Haworth: I am a firm believer that in most companies, 10% of the people do ninety percent of the work. And that's always been that way, and those ten percent of the people are doing ninety percent of the work anyways, they're just using AI tools better than other folks.

Jeremy Grater: Yep. And now those ten percent, those eight, I think it's eight thousand people being laid off, ⁓ they're probably gonna hire back half of them when they realize they fucked up.

Jason Haworth: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. They and they'll hire them back for less money. And they'll take it. Or they won't.

Jeremy Grater: And then those people will finally be able to afford their no scroll subscription again and and get that time back. That then don't need to to scroll anymore. In theory. All right. Well, ⁓ I've got scrolling to do or something else, so we should wrap this one up. Thank you so much for watching or listening wherever you happen to get this episode. ⁓ if you've enjoyed it, if you think somebody else might as well, please share it. You can find links to do that at our website, probots.me. That's where we'll be back in ⁓ a week on Monday morning at robots.me. We'll see you then.

Jason Haworth: In theory, yes. Thanks everyone, bye.

Jeremy Grater: Stopping, stopping.