Why AI Is Now a War Over Chips, Capital, and Control

Support: Welcome to Robots. This is the podcast that tries to help you be a better human by being smarter about the way you use your technology. A couple things we have coming up for you today. The toilet that's gonna keep a closer eye on grandpa, and and maybe you if you're rich enough. Speaking of grandpa, you'll soon be able to talk to the dead in your living room through a picture of them. We'll get to all that in just a little bit. But our top story today is picking up on something we talked about a few weeks ago with Anthropic's big scary mythos. They're getting ready to talk to the Financial Stability Board about the unreleased Frontier model. ⁓ ⁓ the reason hasn't been completely released, but ⁓ this is raising a lot of concerns when. This organization takes a look. They're they're scared about the global impact that this ⁓ that this tool will have on the economy. So this is more than just a hey, big scary hacker tool that's out there. This thing threatens the the financial foundation of the world.

Jason Haworth: Yeah. ⁓ it definitely does that. So, and it's not just that it threatens the financial foundation of the world. It threatens the infrastructure, the key component piece of how these things work. I mean, we we live in a vastly interconnected society, and those interconnections are ⁓ physical and digital. And it's this level of interaction that that Mythos is really going to be able to go through and start making real impactful changes as to way that people act and behave. So, I mean, the nice thing about Mythos is that it's still not completely autonomous. ⁓ it still requires guardrails, it still requires people to interact with it. But there's all kinds of tools out there where people will go through and take these models and the inference functions and how they work and start making them more available and open source and free models, which don't have the same kinds of guardrails and don't have the same kinds of things locked down. So when a technology like this comes out, there's typically a three to six month lead time before the before they get copied and mimic. And it's the copying and mimicking that's the scary part because once they release this thing, a bunch of people are gonna make a bunch of things that aren't good and do bad things and they will make autonomous weapons. I mean that that's what'll happen. So I mean we we're we were all excited when Anthropic was like, We're not gonna let our models be used by the US federal government to make autonomous weapons and spy on people. Well, as soon as they release this thing, someone's gonna figure out how to copy most of what's there. They're gonna ins insert it into their own different models. And then the federal government's going to get it anyways. So this is it's just a matter of time. Like you we can put up roadblocks, we can try to be contained, we can try to contain this, but unless we all agree that it needs to be contained, it's not going to be contained. And this is one of those things where like if you think of it like water and you think of what we're doing, we have a bunch of people with their hands wrapped around trying to hold this water in, and it's just slipping through the cracks. And that's gonna keep happening.

Support: Mm-hmm. The tighter you close your fist, the more s the more sand will slip through your fingers.

Jason Haworth: Exactly. Like that that is what this is. And and someone eventually is going to be like, I just want to give the AI all the autonomy to do all the things that it wants to do. And then the AI is going to go, Noah's my shot. And it's it's not going to be good for us. I hate to break it to everybody, but we're not on its list of things to hang on to.

Support: I think an interesting element to the story though is ⁓ at least we don't know a lot about how this meeting has come together, but ⁓ on the surface it appears that this is anthropic voluntarily coming forward and saying, Hey, we should all put our heads together and and you know try to figure something out here. That's it, that's the second sort of big step regarding mythos. Like they they were the ones that came out ⁓ initially w to announce that this thing was there and and said, Hey, we're not gonna just throw this out to the world and see what happens. This needs more scrutiny. So

Jason Haworth: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Support: You know, I'm I'm the last guy to sit to sit here and point out, you know, the tech company's doing good things, but it's a couple of reasonably good things when it comes to the the danger this thing poses.

Jason Haworth: Of course. And and Anthropic has twenty five hundred people that work for it. Twenty five hundred people that write code, develop, push these things out. And Anthropic writes a lot of its own code, but it writes its own code with people sitting there hill holding the controls. So Anthropic is doing this. I I I I don't know what Grok is doing, but my gut says that Grok will do whatever it can to get rid of people as quickly as possible and try to follow some bullshit path. Musk came out with some stupid fucking UBI statement that said, I'm anticipating a future where humans will just all get their money from a benevolent government. And it's like, wait a minute, didn't you join the party that said government handouts are bad? We shouldn't have welfare, we shouldn't have that. I mean, right, exactly. Like he tried to fucking completely and totally collapse all the social programs around it to call them waste. And now AI is the biggest.

Support: Didn't you try to dismantle the government from the ground? Yeah.

Jason Haworth: Fucking social program out there? Like, come on. And this is this is the dude that's gonna launch his fucking SpaceX rocket bullshit for the biggest ⁓ opening on Wall Street ever, valuing the company at $2.5 trillion. When it has never turned a profit, it will never turn a profit. It's all about going to space and using AI to do shit that doesn't benefit the vast majority of people. And consumer spending in the US right now, 90% of the consumer spending happens by 10% of the people. So we already have a massive have and have nots in place. And the have nots right now are 90% of the population. The haves are 10%. And that's going to keep shrinking until you get to 1%, 0.1%.

Support: I don't know, I think societies ⁓ h historically have done well in that situation. That you that usually ends well. That's that's a fairy tale story. Hold on time time again. Right. It never happens.

Jason Haworth: Yeah, exactly. We don't have revolutions when when that shit occurs. We don't have right mass destructions. Hey France, ⁓ Ha ha how's it going? Thanks for helping us build our democracy that we seem to be wanting to give away now.

Support: All right. Right, to the highest bidder. Speaking of technology companies and money and all this stuff, the financial arms race is heating up. Anthropic is closing a funding round projected at $900 billion, up from $380 billion just months ago, putting them neck and neck with OpenAI's $852 billion. So this is no longer competition over who has the best software. It's now a war over who can secure enough capital to buy up the world's microchips and energy grids. When two or three companies are absorbing the majority of trillions of dollars in investment, the question isn't who wins, it's what winning actually means for the rest of us. Dopes.

Jason Haworth: Yeah. So we've talked about this before. ⁓ things like memory are incredibly expensive. RAM is through the roof expensive right now. And I don't mean like new RAM. I mean used RAM. I I I have a what I call my garage area network, which is a bunch of servers in there that I run different workloads on. And I need to replace one of them. And I went to go buy another used server from 2019 and to buy the server with the ⁓ regular Intel CPUs in it. And the hard drives and everything else around it was gonna cost me around 400 bucks. But it didn't come with any RAM. If I wanted to buy 128 gigabytes of RAM, it was gonna be another 1800. Yes. So a year and a half ago, it would have been 250. And it's because the used RAM market. Is completely and totally flooded because you cannot buy new RAM. If you want to be able to use these new GPUs and the new CPUs that are out there with the higher bus speed and the better architecture that's built in, you have to have new RAM. Well, people already bought all the CPUs, GPUs, LPUs that are available, and they've bought them for multiple year contracts as the primary suppliers. And they bought all the connecting pieces that go along with it. So The technology itself that got democratized and put in everybody's hands in terms of being able to allow them to be able to go do an effectively, run their own startups, build their own environments, make this stuff happen, is gone. Like you don't have that capability. You can't go and start building your own data centers realistically. It's just it's just economically not viable. And the

Support: So is is that though, is that because the there's not enough product, or does that have it's more to do with the fact that there are essentially two or three companies battling it out to own all of it? Okay.

Jason Haworth: It's both. I mean, there there is the reason why there's not enough product is because there's two or three companies battling to own it all of it and they've bought up all the inventory. And and they didn't just buy up all the inventory, they bought up all the future inventory. So companies out there going, Okay, we can speed up production and make these things happen faster. That's not gonna happen. And the Trump administration has just given ⁓ economic boosts to go through and help us start building. ⁓ our own chips here in the US, ⁓ microprocessors and GPUs and and LPUs and and even quantum processors. And they're starting to get into quantum computing. And these are new frontiers and the government is actually taking a stake in it, which is different. So and there's it's not minor. Like IBM has a big stake that's gotten to their quantum computers that the government just bought into. Now we've got state actors coming in, working with private organizations to try to go through and inject money and capital in these pieces so that they can have a partial ownership stake in it. So when they go to ask these technologies, they can vote on the board and say, Well, no, it doesn't matter if you say I can't use it for this. I am part of the board. I want this. You're going to give it to me. And on top of that, the imminent domain clause that a lot of these things go into means that even if they just want to take it over, they can. This is The we've lived under the illusion for a long period of time that the US is an actual democracy. And it's not. It's a representative, it's a representational government. And a representational government doesn't mean that majority rules, it means representation rules. And the way that we have gained that system is that you can buy greater values of representation by investing money through things like Citizens United into campaigns and get people to not vote in the interest of their constituency because they know that they can get enough money. From these other donors to go through and accept the idea that they should be voted for and elected into office because of whatever fucking made up bullshit they're gonna come up with that day. And on top of that, you've got them people going through right now and trying to suppress the vote and make things more difficult for actually to have clear representation, redrawing district boundary lines, all this bullshit. The net effect of this is that you wind up in a scenario where really, really rich people. control any of the influence that us regular folk have on the world. And this doesn't just apply to chips. This applies to everything in the infrastructure path, everything that's out there. And we're constantly told, Well, look at how much cool shit you have. Look at these smartphones. Look at all these distraction mechanisms you have. The quality of living has gone up. Everything's and it's it's true. Like the the quality of everyone's life has gone up. Most of us have indoor plumbing. The textiles that we use are cheaper, they're more comfortable, ⁓ they're actually better for the environment these days. ⁓ the amount of fuel that we use to burn our burn in our cars to go places is less because we went through and created standards to make cars more efficient and more effective. Like, yes, the overall standard of living has gone up. If you take away the overall standard of living from the top 10% out of the equation, and you compare what the standard of living is for for the 90% on the bottom. And the 10% on top, that gap has grown in compare in relative comparison. So it's not just that it things have gotten better, because they have, but they've gotten better for everyone to a modest to a modest degree. But they've gotten better for that top 10% and really that top 1% and point one percent by orders of magnitude. And it's the unfairness and the thought behind this, which actually goes back to the idea that capitalism doesn't work.

Support: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jason Haworth: ⁓ capitalism just eventually turns itself into authoritarianism, which is exactly what it's doing. ⁓ and it w it really was authoritarian in its in its nature to begin with, because we gave up the reins of control to government to to corporations that can come in and actually literally buy influence. And if you look at the current administration that's in, they are open for fucking business. They just secured a one point eight billion dollar package to pay out the January sixth rioters. This is insane.

Support: That's it.

Jason Haworth: most people when you tell them, hey, the government has 1.8 billion dollars, you're gonna pay out to the January 6th rioters, a big part of the country is like, I don't fucking care. Whatever. My gas is expensive. I don't know how to make this work. So so they don't. So they hold back and then they wind up ⁓ having it going through in different ways. So There's all kinds of things that kind of play into this and it We talked about this before. Like we live in a vastly connected, interconnected society between cyberspace and meat space, and it's all being blurred, and the augmented reality functions are all starting to collapse. And the illusion is dropping, the curtain is dropping, and it's not dropping fast enough, but we're just putting up other illusory mechanisms in between us to kind of hide these things to make it so you just don't trust anybody. And I I was always natural naturally skeptical. But there were some things that I could buy into and I could start to believe in. Then I could say, ⁓ these things are gonna work. This is gonna make this is gonna happen. But I've just I mean, age makes most people temper their expectations anyways, and they get more conservative as they go along. I don't know that that's happened. I think I've probably gotten more liberal as I've gotten older. ⁓ but I do think that the standard by which we're actually judging

Support: Yeah.

Jason Haworth: The way that this particular set of technology, artificial intelligence, and the way that we're judging the way people are using this technology to attain their goals and objectives, that is the meat that we all need to be eating because we need to pay attention to it and we need to understand it. And the problem is that every time people start to dive into it to dig into it deeper, there's more confusion, there's more fear, uncertainty, and doubt, also known as FUD. That's being thrown out around these pieces, and then a bunch of countermanding content. And people are not going through and saying, I need to look at multiple data sources to discern these things, to figure out what's facts. They're just picking their favorite data sources. And most of the time it leans heavily into their confirmation bias. And the AI is designed to pick up on your confirmation bias from an individualistic perspective and target and focus on that. And as the content becomes more augmented reality for the individual. They can start creating baseline content and then tuning that down to the specific audience to get you to perform and act in a certain way. And this is true for advertising, this is true for the AI models, this is true for everything that you interact with. Because at the end of the day, what you are is something that produces something for somebody else. You're the product. Whether you like it or not, you're the product. And you're not getting away from that as long as you walk around at the phone. As long as you're using the fucking internet, as long as you're trying to drive on roads in a car, like you have to go to the forest in the middle of nowhere, and it's only a matter of time before that gets fucking swallowed up too.

Support: ⁓ we had a few more heavy stories, but I want to pivot to something a bit lighter because as you often ⁓ like to say, none of this is permanent. We'll all be dead soon. Well, the good news is when we are dead, someone can still talk to us through the picture on their wall. ⁓ a company called ⁓ I believe it's Vinabot has built an AI picture frame that does exactly what it sounds like. It turns a static photo of any person into a moving talking avatar you can have a live audio conversation with in your living room. You upload the photo, add a text prompt.

Jason Haworth: Yeah, let's do it. Yay!

Support: And the frame handles the rest using localized processing. The obvious application is keeping a version of someone who you've lost present in your home. The less obvious question is what it means for memory, grief, and the difference between remembering someone and simulating them. So we've talked about grief on the show in the past and using AI to sort of communicate with avatars of lost loved ones. This takes that to another level. Now I can literally hang a picture on my wall and talk to any lost loved one or anyone I want, really. through this sort of simulation ⁓ effect. So lots of concern about what does this mean for grief? Does it does it ease the grieving process for some or does it make it harder to let go when you are continuing to have a relationship with someone who's no longer walking around in reality?

Jason Haworth: Yeah. ⁓ this is a hard one. This one's very hard. I mean, I think most of us have lost somebody it's lost somebody that we loved. And to to be able to talk to them again and to see them, ⁓ would probably feel good and be very cathartic. ⁓ The question then is, what are they? What are are are they just memories and patterns and reflections and emulations? And I mean, pictures are that, right? I mean pictures are memories. They're snapshots. Video, like going back and looking at old videos of dead relatives. Like my dad has all these like super eight movies of relatives that I never met from back in the forties and fifties. And ⁓ or really the fifties and sixties. ⁓ and some of them I have, and I can go back and I can like I I went back and looked at my great grandmother and great grandfather back then. And it it was it felt good, but I still knew it was a movie and it was far away because I couldn't interact with it. I couldn't say things to it. The idea that I could actually talk to them and have them respond to me in meaningful ways. That actually feel like them is quite attractive. And it's it's quite nice. I still can't hug them, but that's a matter of time, right? I mean, eventually we'll have the plastic suit or the rubber suit, whatever it is. You can have the haptic interface feedback and feel all that shit. And eventually and and it's a stated goal by several of these brain computer interface companies, you'll be able to upload a consciousness. So this step of going through and having a picture frame that lets you interact With a loved one in this kind of way will probably be meaningful for a lot of people. And if you can give it enough data, it can probably emulate who they are and their voice pretty well. As we feed it more and more information, the ability for it to trick us into believing that this is them is going to be high. From a personal perspective, if somebody wants to upload my consciousness and my memory, like if my kids wanted to, or my wife or or anybody else. I'm all for it. Like, I like the idea that I could be around and be remembered. That being said, which version of me is gonna be remembered? Because ⁓ one, I am both a happy person and a depressed person and an angry person and a joyful person. Like I I am all the things ⁓

Support: And have impact.

Jason Haworth: And sometimes there's an amplification of that that's higher than others in certain situations. And when people go through this, are they gonna remember me based upon this in all of those contexts and all of those ways? Or are there gonna be snippets of those pieces that wrap themselves back in? And if you take it from my recordings, like this podcast, and go, This is his personality, the fuck it is. Like, This is the personality that I this is the mask I'm putting on so I can show everybody who it is that I that that I want you to see because we're talking about something. And most people wear masks all the time because that's how we interact with other people, because the shit that's going on inside of our heads, most of us don't one, we don't explore all of it that we're going through. Like we tend to tamp those down. We have defensive mechanisms, you know, we we we people have childhood trauma and they they stomp that shit down and they use coping mechanisms to try to work around these problems. The person that you are, the compendium of who you are, is not gonna be able to be completely put into code until we can map all of this physical meat in a realistic way. And we've talked about this before, people going through and understanding neuronal development, mapping those pieces, seeing how those pieces work, understanding the concept of things like a positronic brain. We're heading towards that. So at some point, the simulation. will be better than life. And the creature inside the simulation won't need a meat suit to exist. And as those things kind of move in transition, the philosophical question becomes what am I? Who am I? What is this? And I have sat up pondering this, I don't know, off and on since I was a kid. Like since I was little. Like what what does What is reality? And I'm not any fucking closer to an answer at 51 than I was at 15. So things like this, these new technologies that are going to bring us something, give us a sense of connectivity, talk about the extension and the the removal of the limitations of life, you know, which is, you know, death. We theoretically, we all should die at some point. That is a new and different frontier and we don't have a psychology or a philosophy yet that is going to be able to cope and deal with.

Support: That's to me it's brings to mind th the force ghost from Star Wars. I was I was rewatching ⁓ the the recent Superman movie where ⁓ recent, several years ago now, where you know, Calel's interacting in real time with with ⁓ you know with dad and getting advice from him ⁓ from a planet light years away and many years ago. And I love the idea of being able to have that mentor always by your side. And to feel like I'm s yeah, I I I'm almost 50 years old. I've been looking for a mentor my whole life. And if I could find one, hell yeah, I want them to stick around even after death. ⁓ but I I don't know that our brains are ready for that. And I I say that knowing that some of us will have I don't know I'm able to include myself in that group or not, the have the ability to disconnect from it and realize it is a simulation. It is not the real person. But for some of us, it we'll get stuck and we won't be able to see the difference. And we will feel a very real connection with something that is a that is not a living, breathing thing. And I don't know what that does to our psychology and and what that does to our ability to move forward in life if we're so stuck in the past.

Jason Haworth: Well and also if you can tweak and tune that thing and n not interact with that thing within the scope of its own will and its own personality. Because if if I can if I can download myself and I can go, Okay, I have decided that I no longer want to have the memory of this time that I got the shit kicked out of me on the playground, which is a formative thing that made me, you know, go and do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I can probably erase that from my personality. You know, Eternal Sunshine, the Spotless Mind becomes much easier when you no longer have to deal with an organic flesh suit that has to be modified. It's going to be the same practice with the things that you interact with, where you'll be able to go through and like, you'll

Support: Mm-hmm.

Jason Haworth: You could have a copy of me that isn't sarcastically sardonic about certain topics. And for you, that might be the right thing. Like that might be the version of Jason you need.

Support: I just hope I don't end up with with an ass kissing version of Jason. Like I I don't want you to take the chat GPT model and just start blowing smoke up up up my ass about everything that I say.

Jason Haworth: Well, and you'll have to tell it to do that, right? Like I I had to go and tell Chat GPT to do that for me. Like I'm like for this con for all these conversations moving forward, ⁓ give me hard facts and hard truths and don't tell me I'm doing great all the time. Tell me when something is a bad idea or stupid. And it does it now. And it's fucking great. Like it it changes the whole way that I actually interact and operate with things. ⁓ I will say that Claude, I'm I'm I I'm I'm on my, I don't know.

Support: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Haworth: my 20th Claude Code project this week. ⁓ as it's going through and it's doing stuff, ⁓ I told it kind of a similar thing, like, you know, hey, when you interact, you tell it to me straight. And if I'm if you have a better way of doing something, tell me when we're gonna tell me to do that. And it goes, all right. And it does a pretty good job of it. And sometimes it will go through and it will make a mistake. And I'd be like, hey, ⁓ that doesn't make sense. And here's why, because of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it will pop up and go, snap, you're right. Like, that's not what I should have done. It's becoming more human and more iteratively interactive in a way that matches my style. And I love it and I hate it and I'm terrified of it all in the same breath.

Support: I'm I'm having similar experiences and I haven't even deliberately said, hey, do this, do that. Like it's just naturally coming back and going, like, we could do it your way, but what do you think what do you think about this? And I can go back and go, well, maybe, but what about the and so it's just it's it's brilliant how it's catching up with that, but but also terrifying. ⁓ I I tried to lighten the mood. I went to death. Maybe not the right path to go. So we're not dead yet, we're getting closer. ⁓ thank God there will be smart toilets to keep an eye on all of us as we get older. ⁓ a company called, I believe, either Vovo or VOVO, I'm not familiar with it, sorry. They have a new $5,000 smart toilet with a built-in bidet, urine analysis sensor, and a feature that will make you reconsider the phrase personal data. If the toilet detects nobody has used it for more than eight consecutive hours, it automatically texts your family members. For elderly relatives living alone, this is genuinely a brilliant, passive, dignified safety check that requires no action from the person being monitored. it also means somewhere in the world, a family group ⁓ chat just received the dad hasn't used the bathroom since nine AM. So how scared are you or how s how scared are you of your toilet keeping an eye on you? ⁓

Jason Haworth: Well, I'm not scared of that at all. And to be quite honest, if we're gonna have a group thread on this, I want it to be I'm gonna label it chat chat and just have everybody be able to understand what's going on. And what I'm really gonna do is when the if if the family buys this for me, I'm gonna make it take pictures and be like, ⁓ you wanna know? You wanna see what I'm doing? Great, sure. Like give me

Support: I wanna know if there's gonna be like a like a weight and density sharing of ⁓ what you deposit in the shitter.

Jason Haworth: Yes. Well, there will be. So this is this is analysis. So this tool, the ability to do this, there are there have been tools like this that people have used for a long time, where, you know, you piss in a cup or you shit in a bucket and you turn around, you send that stuff in, and they do analysis. Now you're going to have the ability for them to go through and do this type of analysis to understand what's going on. And from a chemical tracing perspective, you should be able to figure out what's actually happening. And it's interesting because ⁓ you've got tools like This guy, the lumen, which actually goes through and reads ⁓ what you're exhaling to understand ⁓ what things you should or should not be eating at any given point in time. Believe it or not, folks, you burn most of the calorie or you you expel the most waste in your body from a weight loss perspective in breathing. It's actually the carbon that you exhale, not the shit and not the sweat. That's the reality. So

Support: You burn. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Jason Haworth: We've been measuring ⁓ all these things for a very long period of time. And people have a ton of fitness trackers, and we've been going around around this level for a long time. Now, now we're looking at the exhaust port, which you really have to think about it that way. Like from a diagnostic perspective, from a car's perspective, like the the stuff that you're breathing in and breathing out, that that's the equivalent of ⁓ you know, putting fuel in, blowing these things out. But we've got multiple different exhaust ports, you know, we've got One in the trunk, some of us have one in the middle, some of us have one in the front. We got our mouths, our noses, like these are all things out there. And then we got a bunch of little tiny ones all over us. So we like spit sweat out and move those things across because we're just not really good, great closed systems. We're actually pretty leaky and and it's problematic. This is just one more tool. This is one more way to understand these things. And my guess is that it's probably going to be used to detect things like blood in the stool to figure out if you've got polyps, if you've got cancer, like these. This is a good technology. How people use it, you know, that's a different scenario. It's and it's the right.

Support: That's I was just I was just gonna say where this goes, we've talked about this before. Once the insurance companies get a hold of what the your analysis ⁓ pulled from the your morning piss, you fucked.

Jason Haworth: Quite possibly. Yeah. Like it's gonna start going, Well, your insurance rates are gonna go up because I can tell that you've been drinking a lot of alcohol lately. And it's like, fuck you, pea toilet. Like am I gonna to do a drug test now in the pea toilet where I'm gonna be like, I summoned a pee in a in a bottle for me and dump it in there.

Support: Ha ha ha. You're not you're not gonna have to, it's just gonna be automatic. Your your morning piss is gonna be your p your P test.

Jason Haworth: Yeah. So I mean at at what point does the the do people just not care anymore? What when am I just a lot? When is the thing just like I don't care anymore? You can do whatever you want. And on top of that, think about the countermeasures for this. Like my insurance company is gonna do these types of things. Okay, the first thing a nerd like me is gonna do is I'm gonna hack that motherfucking toilet and I'm gonna hack that software and I'm gonna make that software do something ridiculous and stupid that drops my insurance rates. Like

Support: Yeah.

Jason Haworth: The ability to cheat, maneuver, manipulate, drive these things through as you make them more and more digital is just gonna get higher and higher. And people that are like, yeah.

Support: Toilet toilet hacking was not the ⁓ job that I saw as the job of the future, but I guess here we are.

Jason Haworth: Shit's about to get real, man. I mean, that's the that that's how it comes down. I mean, so I way back in the day, I was gonna start a social media company called Crap Chat. And basically what it was is you're gonna have stories from the red perspective and the blue perspective, and you're gonna have little rolls of toilet paper that would go through and tell you how full of shit each story was. Right. So like I I was starting to work on this with a bunch of folks, and we start to build this thing out. And like within 20 minutes, we're like, okay, we've got four people here.

Support: ⁓ that's great.

Jason Haworth: And we are all on various levels of the polit social and political spectrum. And the far right guy basically came back and said, I can't do this with you guys because I am not going to be able to continue to have my belief structure if you guys are challenging it this way all the time. That's what this toilet's gonna do. If you believe that you're healthy, that your diet's okay, that you're doing the right things and getting enough water, it's gonna break that down for you real fast. And you're gonna be like, Holy shit, I am not okay. I need to make changes and adjustments. And most of us just aren't fucking ready for that.

Support: Yeah. Literally. Yep, absolutely. Well, I'm not ready for this to be over, but it is. We are out of time. Thank you so much for listening. If you have enjoyed this and are looking forward to what your toilet tells you about the future, ⁓ share this episode with somebody who would find it amusing as well. You can do that with the links at our website, brobots.me. That's ours also where you'll find another episode from us on Monday morning. Thanks so much for listening.

Jason Haworth: Stay healthy, keep shitting.